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go to audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla a Kris

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infamous lecturer we're going to have

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this infamous lecture tour that's

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actually starting this weekend correct

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I'm heading out to California I'll be

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speaking at the MUFON chapter it's kind

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of a combination of three of the

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Northern California groups the event

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will be in San Jose at the unity unity

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church but yeah I'll be speaking there

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on Sunday and then so basically by the

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time people are hearing this show you

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will be lecturing at the same time well

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it's actually the Sunday the Sunday ones

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at 1:00 in the afternoon and then the

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following Tuesday I'll be in LA Studio

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City and then Wednesday the 18th I'll be

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down in Orange County and Costa Mesa you

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know speaking of MUFON there's a story

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over at the sci-fi channels blog called

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blaster comm that's PLA STR comm and you

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got to hear this ok Chris all right ok

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watch the sky 2012 already

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record-breaking year for UFO sightings

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hmm well by the first week of 2012 alone

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UFO sightings were reported in 36 of the

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50 states

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here in the US that according to the

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mutual UFO network well the states left

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out by the way 14 states are left out so

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if you lived in these states you didn't

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have a UFO

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during the first part of 2012 Alaska

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Montana Nebraska North Dakota Rhode

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and Wyoming sorry folks no UFOs you were

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left out this time but that could change

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later sounds like most of the m's and a

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few of the n states with devoid of

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activity but you and I both know Jean

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that there were probably events that

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just didn't get reported that's always

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true you know there's also this

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publicity flap where one sighting gets

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some kind of prominence then suddenly

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everybody reports their sightings now

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specifically in January of 2011

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MUFON got 500 reports for the entire

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month they got 233 the first week of

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2012 January they got 6000 reports last

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year and they could get a lot more this

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year so this is interesting really

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interesting I hope it's not just to sell

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MUFON memberships let's hope the good

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ones aren't being filtered off to our

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friendly nevada billionaire yeah what is

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their status with Bigelow is that deal

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gone and forgotten officially I think it

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is but there is still some question in

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some people's minds that the

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relationship still is intact but very

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low-key well so far at least if you look

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at the MUFON Journal I know you don't

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get a copy but if you look at the MUFON

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Journal you do see a lot of sighting

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reports so it's not as if this stuff is

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being kept under the radar okay I wish

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we had more radar on it then maybe we'd

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get better at hard data that's true I'm

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you know obvious eiling's are just

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people seeing lights in the sky but you

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know there are a lot of cases there

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that's interesting that people are

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suddenly looking to the skies and

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finding strange things happening you

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know like our guest today oh my goodness

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talk about a guy that has been there and

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done that he's been looking to the sky

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for since the early 50s he's one of the

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last of the original old guard of field

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investigators and boy are we I guess

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blessed and grace to have mr. ray

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Stanford as

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our guest here at the pair cast for his

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first real return engagement now it's

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interesting here when we put up our

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question Bank thread or the place in our

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forums where you can ask questions of

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guests we had quite a bit of response in

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fact looking at the responses we got to

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the impending arrival of race Stanford I

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would think we could probably just ask

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the questions and sit back and listen

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well it did devolve into some

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conversations but yeah there are some

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really good questions there and Ray was

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gracious enough to provide me with some

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very very compelling images of these

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discoid 'el artifacts that may be up to

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seventeen hundred and fifty years old

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that have been found in the

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Mississippian culture states of Ohio

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Illinois Indiana and Ray has a very

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intriguing theory that we're gonna talk

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about today on the podcast concerning

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these objects and they're obvious look

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of you know high-tech flying saucers I

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think this is really gonna be

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interesting he's done quite a bit of

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work over the years in researching these

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very enigmatic artifacts and has one of

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the largest collections of them in fact

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he just got his latest addition to the

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collection yesterday which is just a

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just breathtaking example of artistry no

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I'm looking at the photos at forum dr.

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Peric ascom and it's in the question

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Bank and a thread called

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race Stanford returns to the power cast

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I'm looking at some of these photos now

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in the past in one of the interviews we

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had someone was suggesting and some of

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these anomalous objects from the past

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well it's just basically toys for kids

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but I'll tell you I'm looking at the

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stuff these pictures that he has

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assembled here of these objects and they

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sure don't look like toys to me they

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look like miniature versions of what

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people have been reporting for at least

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in the modern age ufology just you know

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thousands of reports of objects that

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look almost identical or at the very

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least similar but one thing that's very

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interesting is how these objects seem to

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be more detailed and more kind of modern

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looking the older they are and as they

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devolved through the years they actually

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Azrael will tell us

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turned into a game called chunky which

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then possibly was where we get the game

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bowling from would you think about what

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you're talking about because those of us

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who have no idea what this game is would

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you but we will let ray kind of give us

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his his research on this and like I said

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he has worked for many years assembling

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these objects in his collection and he's

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been in touch with some of the folks

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that have have similar collections and

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this is really gonna be an interesting

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show it's gonna be a fascinating show

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it's gonna come up before we basically

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go to race Stanford and talk to him

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further about his research and get to

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your questions

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well I mentioned one more thing from

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another UFO field old-timer named Jim

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Mosley current issue of saucer smear

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that's this monthly newsletter he sends

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out for a love offering let me give you

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the address for it box one seven zero

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nine Key West Florida three three zero

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401 he has a little article here about

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something called the Roswell dream team

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okay apparently sure if I can Randall

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this it might be too foolish MIT haven't

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I heard that one before okay just as you

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said dr. Colonel Kevin Randall Don

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Schmitt Tom Kerry have organized this

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group that's kind of interesting because

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I didn't think that Randle and Schmitt

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and Kerry got along but I guess they

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basically have buried the hatchet

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they're going to evaluate all over again

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the Roswell evidence and supposedly

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according to Mosely Anthony Bragg alia

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has been recruited conscripted whatever

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into this group on Duck and Cover and

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he's you know unusual character we might

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get him on the power cast sometime it's

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a good researcher but my easy question

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some of his conclusions well he

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concludes for example that the Saqqara

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New Mexico case involving the late

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Lonnie Zamora that was a hoax

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perpetrated by college students with the

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help of a professor I guess right and

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raise Stanford who investigated the case

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with

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was quite adamant that he doesn't know

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what he's talking about well whatever

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so we have regalia carry Schmidt Randall

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sounds like the Marx Brothers

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personified here assembling to as jim

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says re re re evaluate all the evidence

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in this never-ending case hopefully this

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will be roswell case closed

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finito or roswell case closed

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episode 4970 on the para cast we will

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discuss that in the future maybe we have

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race stanford with some fascinating new

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information to present possibly about

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UFOs in ancient times with gene and

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out at iTunes with gene and Chris in the

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para cast we welcome back ray Stanford

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and he's been a longtime friend of our

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co-host Chris O'Brien and therefore

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Chris has gracefully volunteered to pick

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up on this discussion and take us into

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some very fascinating areas we haven't

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covered fully on the para casts before

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Chris yeah ray well first of all welcome

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back to the program and congratulations

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on your recent inclusion into the

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Smithsonian Natural History Museum for

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your species of notice or that you

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discovered the cast that's now on

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permanent display at the Smithsonian we

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haven't had a chance on the show to

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really talk about your paleontology work

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and your dinosaur track work but maybe

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we could save that for another show but

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I just want to remind our listeners that

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Ray is a longtime friend and confidante

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and mentor to me and it's it's a real

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pleasure to have you back on the show

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right well thanks great it's really fun

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to be here yeah this is gonna be good

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one of the things that I want to thank

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you also for is being gracious enough to

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send along some just very very

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interesting compilations of images from

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these very very enigmatic artifacts that

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you have been interested in

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for many years you do have a large

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collection of them and I think we're

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gonna talk first of all today about to

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these objects and then at the end of the

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show which is going to be a real treat I

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think for our para cast audience we're

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gonna be getting your insight into your

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years of analytical work with UFO films

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and photographs why don't you first

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start off by telling us about how you

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first became aware of these of these

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enigmatic art if artifacts from the

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Mississippian and fort ancient cultures

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here in America and give us a little

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background on how you started your

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collection and some of the the more

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interesting facts about the actual

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earliest objects that we know of

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actually I guess I was thrown into into

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the artifacts the archaeology as a kid

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who and my father worked in the oil

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fields in South Texas and would bring

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home little artifacts Indian areas

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people would call them from the fields

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and of course over the years I got more

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and more fascinated and begin to collect

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first artifacts from the from North

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America and and eventually South and

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Central America and also all over the

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world but it was not until about 23 24

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years ago that I became interested in

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what are called disc waddles by the I

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prefer just the word discord but the

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collectors of artifacts called them disc

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oils these are the pieces that were

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definitely used in the game called

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chunky that was being used when done

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when the plate when the quite men

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arrived in in North America in an

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encounter the Indians of the

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Mississippian culture that we're doing

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this now in that interest in the line of

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that interest I had been following

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Indian artifact auctions and I received

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a catalog and back about about 23 years

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ago in which it showed pictures of each

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of the artifacts to be auctioned and one

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of them when I saw it

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having been into UFOs very actively

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since a-15 I really did a double-take

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here was a pictograph a picture of

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something that looked a photograph of

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some things looked absolutely

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like the popular concept of a UFO or at

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least from what I do about it the thing

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had dome and it had spots around the rim

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such as people had seen a glowing or

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emitting light around the rim of

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reported so called UFOs and oh my gosh

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that thing's going up at auction but

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despite being an Indian artifact

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collector being interesting UFOs makes

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that even more desirable so I called the

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auctioneer and I said gee can i buy this

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before the auction of no it said we

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can't like we can't do that but he said

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he said you know if you're serious he

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said I got another one in fact it's

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right here in my desk drawer he said I

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these things came in he said I didn't

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know he had been in the field for years

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he said I haven't seen of course the

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game discs are those but these he said

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I'd never seen anything like them and he

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said well this one is just as good it's

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a little larger than the one in the

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auction and it's out of the same old

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collection from Western Illinois that

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the edrick collection and I said how old

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is that collection he said well P etter

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was collecting in the at the end of the

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19th century and into the early 20th

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century and I said and these definitely

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came out of his glacial there's no doubt

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it's sticker is on on one of them and we

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know that that's where it came from at

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the earliest source we have on these

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discs and so way there's a there's a

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verifiable evidence chain on where these

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objects came from where they were found

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so there's a there's a way for you to go

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back and ascertain the the history of

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these objects as out from discovery

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until the present correct that's right

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you know the auctioneer said well mr.

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camford I don't know what you think of

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these are wise in this particular type

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except that they're odd but he said I

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had a friend in here yesterday yesterday

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he said and I want to shock him I pulled

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this thing on my desk drawer just set it

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on the desk without a word and he said

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damn that's a flying saucer and I said

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well what do you want for it he told me

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what he wanted for it and I cinema check

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and got it and that was how I started

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collecting discards beginning with the

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ones that happened to be the the rarest

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and that's the most expensive and the

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and apparently are the oldest

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don't you go

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and explain to our audience the game

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chunky that the early explorers and

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sellers when they came to this to the

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New World the Indians had already

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developed this particular game why don't

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you go ahead and describe the game for

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us and and and then dovetail that into

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the actual kind of D evolution of these

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objects from the oldest ones to the ones

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that were around when Anglos first

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appeared okay when the white man came

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the this was the equivalent of football

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in in North America to the Indians that

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was all over the Midwest and down

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complete all of our south down into even

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Florida and the way it was described in

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it this can be found in the literature

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that was written when soon after white

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man came and there is a carving from the

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Catalan culture of the southern United

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States that shows a late phase junkie

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player and what he's doing he down on

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his knees and he is rolling with his

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right hand an underhand roll of the

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discord but according to the white

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person's writing the accounts the game

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was very boring to them the indians were

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wild about it what happens is the disc

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is a road actually I don't remember

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which happens there is a thing that's

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shaped like a long spear a smooth

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straight spear with some of the

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counselee pointed ends that would be a

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throne well the idea was when this

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object is long gated thing that reminds

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me of the shape of a mothership as we

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have seen and filmed them many times and

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others have seen them and see their film

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them reminded me of a mothership well

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this disc is supposed to roll along and

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end up as near as possible to worthy the

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so called mothership has his de facto

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landed on the ground there was various

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people of course would be rolling the

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Dare so the idea was that the one that

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got the one got the point for that

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section of the game if their disk was

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nearest to what I will call in forward

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the mothership that's in quotes because

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we don't know what it really represented

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just what to me it looks like and I kind

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of suspicion because of these early

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discs that

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the people that have gone to the parrot

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caste website have seen because of their

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resemblance to what we would call

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shuttle discoid UFOs that what happened

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was that early on these were magical

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objects I'll tell you why it's so

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magical we've got to stop for this kind

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of magic we're talking to Ray Stanford

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547
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548
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549
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F a ke TV or go to fete tv.com fake TV

550
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calm the burglar deterrent that's the

551
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sound of your door being kicked in by an

552
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intruder with a single kid that's the

553
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sound of the same door now protected by

554
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555
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559
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560
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Sentinel is still holding strong my safe

561
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door calm that's my safe door comm hi

562
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this is 10 Anderson have you ever

563
00:25:34,150 --> 00:25:32,480
wondered why banks stockbrokers

564
00:25:35,970 --> 00:25:34,160
investment advisors won't talk about

565
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gold IRAs they've been available since

566
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1986 yet the financial industry won't

567
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:40,309
recognize the value of gold for your

568
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retirement

569
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gold has outperformed paper investments

570
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yet no word about IRAs if you would like

571
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806-853-9949 fearful master America's

572
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government is no longer the servant of

573
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the people and the protector of our

574
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liver

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but has become that fearful master we

576
00:26:17,650 --> 00:26:15,770
the people must understand the nature of

577
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this government gone awry if we are to

578
00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:19,360
be successful in saving our country

579
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America is being deliberately destroyed

580
00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:23,900
by a cabal of international gangsters so

581
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that she can be forced into subjugation

582
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to a one-world government a god-given

583
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unalienable rights of the Declaration of

584
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Independence are in jeopardy

585
00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:32,720
he must not let them be stolen by

586
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:35,180
ambitious and evil men utopia silver

587
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supplements believes it is our god-given

588
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right to make our own healthcare

589
00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:40,820
decisions however we deem best if we can

590
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help you with your supplement needs in

591
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:43,130
better health

592
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:44,810
then help us win this health freedom

593
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battle visit us today at utopia silver

594
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calm that's you t OPI a silver calm or

595
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:52,550
call eight eight eight two one three

596
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,070
four three three eight again eight eight

597
00:27:03,460 --> 00:26:56,960
eight two one three four three three

598
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:03,470
eight hi this is Don Ecker and you are

599
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:06,350
tuned in to the para CASP let me tell

600
00:27:11,470 --> 00:27:08,630
you what you're gonna hear stuff here

601
00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:11,480
that you probably won't hear anywhere

602
00:27:17,140 --> 00:27:15,020
else hear that George snoring with Gene

603
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:17,150
and Chris and race stanford with some

604
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:19,850
magical mysterious information to

605
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:21,530
present to you about ancient artifacts

606
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:23,210
right okay

607
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:25,160
well let me mention that the mystic in

608
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:27,890
culture goes back as far as a thousand

609
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:30,890
years from the present time but some of

610
00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:32,900
the discs including the one that I show

611
00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:34,790
on the parapets website with the seeming

612
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:38,270
latter images on either side that is

613
00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:41,720
earlier that is from the four Tang Xuan

614
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:44,660
culture of Ohio and the fourth ancient

615
00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:48,110
culture goes back about 1750 years

616
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:50,540
before the present time then at about

617
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:52,250
the end of where we see the end of the

618
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,890
fort ancient material we begin to see

619
00:27:59,020 --> 00:27:57,440
the Mississippian and it proliferate all

620
00:28:02,320 --> 00:27:59,030
up and down to the Mississippi Valley

621
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:02,330
what I'm saying is that we do have discs

622
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:04,550
like images even with seaming ladders

623
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:06,530
suggesting a way in and out of an object

624
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:08,630
maybe hovering or supported by the

625
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,850
ground in some way we have these from

626
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:12,380
way back in the fort ancient culture

627
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:14,690
before the Mississippian culture then in

628
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:17,090
the Mississippian culture their seeming

629
00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:18,950
earliest of these discs based on their

630
00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:21,140
rarity and the proliferation the game

631
00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:23,750
later with modification across time of

632
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:25,430
the disc are these that is

633
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,830
that look just like our concept of

634
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:30,080
shuttle shape like this but with domes

635
00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:33,290
yes yeah fast question right not to

636
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:35,540
interrupt but this is one concern

637
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:38,510
expressed by the critics when they see

638
00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:40,070
these artifacts they say you know what

639
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:41,780
they're just toys don't take him

640
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,790
seriously that's their blanket

641
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:46,400
condemnation of at least some of these

642
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:49,070
things okay well I wouldn't think that

643
00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:52,190
any person in the ancient cultures

644
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:53,420
including the Mississippian culture I

645
00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:55,010
mean we didn't have all the spare time

646
00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:56,900
to watch TV and play around that we do

647
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,480
now if you know how hard hematite is and

648
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:01,760
hard it is to work there are hundreds of

649
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:04,100
hours of work that went into these items

650
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,960
I don't think hundreds of hours were

651
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:08,480
spent by any Mississippian or fort

652
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:10,790
ancient person in order to make a toy

653
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:12,290
the mere toy

654
00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:14,630
now if you consider the junkie is using

655
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:17,870
the game a toy fine maybe football is

656
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:20,330
soccer is air tour or baseball

657
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:23,510
basketball is is air Atari game today

658
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:25,340
that's fine it doesn't begin if it's

659
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:27,650
what she called it it doesn't remove the

660
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:29,770
fact that these objects exist and

661
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:32,030
resemble the earliest phase resemble

662
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:34,490
nothing we know the late phase practical

663
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:36,170
for rolling some of them have kind of

664
00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:37,430
rounded edge but the other have an edge

665
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:39,920
shape much like a court tire it's

666
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:43,550
possible that the first fgs were in fact

667
00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:46,010
effigies of things seen in the sky are

668
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:48,560
even closer down to the ground that they

669
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:50,510
were replicated as the Indians were

670
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:52,520
inclined to do as magical objects we

671
00:29:56,410 --> 00:29:54,230
have the Hopi that have their concept of

672
00:30:00,850 --> 00:29:56,420
the Kachinas when they made the Kachina

673
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:00,860
dolls as a magical reference to our way

674
00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:04,130
of being present with the Kachinas

675
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:07,280
likewise this could have been the way of

676
00:30:11,170 --> 00:30:09,890
the the Mississippian culture I will

677
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:11,180
mention one other interesting thing

678
00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:13,130
among the Mississippians there was the

679
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:16,280
legend that a similar legend up back

680
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:18,830
among the Hopi was of what they call

681
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:20,780
spider grandmother ghan-gheng savuti

682
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,150
there was a similar legend among the

683
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:25,790
Mississippians that this creature

684
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:28,430
represented inside of for example a

685
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:31,430
stone or shell disc this spider had

686
00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:34,790
populated the sky with the Milky Way but

687
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,790
if we take the spider grandmother legend

688
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:39,440
look at it closely

689
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:41,450
we might wonder if some of this

690
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:43,460
so-called angels hair that has been

691
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:45,650
apparently well documented in a few

692
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:48,530
cases dropped out of so-called UFOs

693
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:51,440
might have been in fact the origin of

694
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:54,470
the cosmic or sky moving cosmic

695
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:55,310
grandmother

696
00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:57,650
don't go gangsta booty I've forgotten

697
00:31:00,820 --> 00:30:58,910
that you had come up with that

698
00:31:01,630 --> 00:31:00,830
particular correlation that it kind of

699
00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:01,640
makes sense to me

700
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:03,620
of course angel hair is very difficult

701
00:31:09,130 --> 00:31:06,190
to obtain because it does tend disappear

702
00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:09,140
soon after it hits the ground and even

703
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,540
before it hits the ground so yeah that

704
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:12,320
would make sense

705
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:15,260
spider-woman obviously you could make

706
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:16,760
the the leap that there is some

707
00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:19,220
connection I guess in terms of their

708
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:21,590
observations of potential angel hair I

709
00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:23,210
could see why that would that why you

710
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:26,750
would make that that that jump why would

711
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:27,980
you tell our listeners who aren't

712
00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:30,410
familiar with the concept of angel hair

713
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,270
we heard a lot of that in the early days

714
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:35,360
of modern UFO research Chris give us an

715
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:38,120
angel hair Reader's Digest summary

716
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:41,390
please well angel hair is material that

717
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:44,780
that has been seen coming out of UFOs

718
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:48,500
after a flyover or they hover in my

719
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:50,840
particular research I've only had one

720
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,050
case that this was supposedly seen and

721
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:56,960
it was in Taos in the I think mid 70s

722
00:32:02,050 --> 00:31:59,090
where some of this material had drifted

723
00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:02,060
down onto parked cars and some was

724
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:04,670
collected I don't recall I think there

725
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,950
may have been testing done but Ray

726
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,240
perhaps you could fill us in a little

727
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:10,640
bit on this in terms of the composition

728
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:13,730
of this material and and your knowledge

729
00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:17,510
about angel here well off the top of my

730
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:19,670
head I can't recall chemical analysis

731
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:20,990
might have been done it's difficult

732
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,810
because when this material falls and III

733
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:26,240
a big strand up at about eight feet long

734
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:28,010
and several inches across at the

735
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:29,690
thickest places fell down one time in

736
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:32,090
Corpus Christi found fell down right in

737
00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:34,250
front of me and I grabbed it but in a

738
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:37,160
few seconds it had seemingly ever vest

739
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:40,610
into the atmosphere it was gone there

740
00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:42,950
may be my the heat of my body or

741
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:44,150
electrical charge in my body or

742
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:46,160
something I caused it to break up

743
00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:49,250
perhaps it's been theorized that these

744
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:52,280
that these objects have and I'm sure

745
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:53,210
they do in fact

746
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:55,730
from my own work have a magnetic field

747
00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:58,220
and plasma operatives in that field

748
00:33:01,539 --> 00:32:59,960
being moved by that field for certain

749
00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:01,549
types of propulsion and maneuvering

750
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:03,980
effects if that's the case I think it's

751
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:05,899
conceivable that they may actually

752
00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:08,840
generate this externally by electrifying

753
00:33:13,899 --> 00:33:11,240
certain compounds that line up and form

754
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:13,909
long strand polymers in the atmosphere

755
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:16,010
that all the same are fairly unstable

756
00:33:20,769 --> 00:33:18,529
and when body heat contacts them the

757
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:20,779
components of the polymer simply break

758
00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:23,690
off in vaporize well let's get back to

759
00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:26,299
Spider Woman and a correlation between

760
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:28,700
the Hopi and the Mississippi Valley

761
00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:34,130
cultures where where do we know that the

762
00:33:37,899 --> 00:33:36,140
game chunky how far can we can we

763
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,909
actually trace the game chunky back

764
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:40,640
based on archaeological evidence well

765
00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:45,440
the of course we know that there the the

766
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:48,620
more recent types are accessible but

767
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:51,140
many of them have been found in Illinois

768
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:53,080
in the region of Cahokia with a great

769
00:34:00,060 --> 00:33:55,610
the largest of the indian mountain north

770
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:00,070
america is located there still today and

771
00:34:05,289 --> 00:34:03,770
but there is no direct evidence contrary

772
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:05,299
to what one archeologist published

773
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:06,830
recently in archaeology magazine there's

774
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:09,409
no direct evidence that absolutely the

775
00:34:17,369 --> 00:34:12,950
game originated at Cahokia i do know

776
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:17,379
that as far as the UFO looking ones that

777
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:21,980
are probably the earliest they seem to

778
00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:24,409
have originated in somewhere in western

779
00:34:30,129 --> 00:34:26,149
illinois but not far enough south to be

780
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:30,139
Cahokia and then we see as we look where

781
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:33,379
the modifications of that farmer found

782
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:35,450
that they begin to take off the the dome

783
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:36,950
or domes if there's one at the top and

784
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:40,310
bottom and they begin to remove the the

785
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:42,169
dots which when you can see in those

786
00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:45,639
images are sent around the edge and then

787
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:48,020
they made them broader and broader and

788
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:50,210
more and more curved rim

789
00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:52,940
as we look at the map of distribution of

790
00:34:58,089 --> 00:34:55,429
these finds we see that the earliest

791
00:35:00,910 --> 00:34:58,099
ones the ufo-like ones are right around

792
00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:00,920
a central part of Western Illinois and

793
00:35:06,819 --> 00:35:04,040
then they seem to migrate out even as

794
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:06,829
the game did you see the game became as

795
00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:10,640
the Kokan culture really people really

796
00:35:15,819 --> 00:35:12,469
took over and became a very powerful and

797
00:35:17,979 --> 00:35:15,829
widespread Empire let's call it the game

798
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:17,989
spread in fact the the article in

799
00:35:20,999 --> 00:35:20,180
archaeology magazine within the last

800
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,009
year or so

801
00:35:25,449 --> 00:35:23,119
suggested that this may have been part

802
00:35:27,729 --> 00:35:25,459
of the way that the keoki and tokens did

803
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,739
take over other territory they got them

804
00:35:30,819 --> 00:35:28,880
involved with the game and in

805
00:35:33,009 --> 00:35:30,829
competitions and the people began to

806
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,019
know each other and eventually their

807
00:35:36,489 --> 00:35:34,640
King but spread not only of the culture

808
00:35:39,069 --> 00:35:36,499
of the game but the culture of Cahokia

809
00:35:40,479 --> 00:35:39,079
per se but maybe they were gamblers

810
00:35:44,949 --> 00:35:40,489
maybe maybe they were putting up their

811
00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:44,959
mound against Europe as I said Christi

812
00:35:49,089 --> 00:35:47,180
white man found this game quite boring

813
00:35:53,229 --> 00:35:49,099
but the Indians would play it rounds of

814
00:35:54,999 --> 00:35:53,239
it all day long and they would if if the

815
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:55,009
game players weren't working up a sweat

816
00:35:58,839 --> 00:35:56,930
the people watching were because they

817
00:36:01,209 --> 00:35:58,849
were going crazy betting I mean the

818
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:01,219
Indians were betting it is said that

819
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and Kris exploring the past maybe

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gambling in ancient times with race

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Stanford this is just really fascinating

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taking us to areas we haven't covered in

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previous episodes Kris you want to move

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the questions forward yeah

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raid you mentioned to me last week when

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we first kind of had the idea of of

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addressing this subject on the podcast

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that you saw an article at UFO

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iconoclasts online I think a rich

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Reynolds I'm not sure of riches when

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they wrote it but why don't you describe

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your feelings of his his his article

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stating that we have no direct evidence

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that ancient cultures had any sort of

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knowledge about UFOs in the library

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action my reaction to that article was

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to assigned RR which I would presume is

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rich Reynolds my reaction to it was that

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it was as laughable as his totally

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unfounded claim that what landed at

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Socorro and took off silently after

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after a roar to get 20 feet above the

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grounding became hypersonic in very

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short time was a huge black project a

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research craft

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if so the unfounded and his claim that

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we have no evidence from ancient

976
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cultures that there was any interaction

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interface with alien cultures we have to

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keep in mind that the figured speech we

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use as people believe in this almost

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religiously will insist well it's

981
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extraterrestrial visitors well they

982
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didn't have those terms and to use other

983
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terms for whatever they however they

984
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encountered it I think some pretty good

985
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terms were used a wheel within a wheel a

986
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pillar of fire by the way the Greeks

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someone asked about the the Greek I

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think it was the boat reversed one of

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your newer members I asked about did

990
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these look like the ones the Greeks used

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and I did some research on that and

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indeed they do accept speaking generally

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the ones the Greeks through were were

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narrower they were flattered at the disk

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was flattered they had a sharp edges and

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we're flattered well of course the first

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Mississippian discs have sharp edges and

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they're flatter than the later ones I

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mean whatever the Greeks meant by this

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let

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consider its possibility the Greeks had

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a lot of talk about gods and when we see

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the person throwing this disc is it

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actually a terrestrial game devised

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after an idea that some cosmic God was

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throwing discoid all things that they

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were seeing in the sky I don't have

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literature evidence of that that I can

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quote but I think it's not not a totally

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unreasonable speculation and Chris

1011
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regarding questions like both of us

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wrote in some very good ones could I

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address some of these let's go to the

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question Bank here do you have them in

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front of me and this will be a pair of

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cast first our guests asking the

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questions to be enough to speed enough

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to be on line and ask the question so

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ask an answer array okay I answered the

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first one about the Greek and he said if

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not do you see a connection to the he

1022
00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:29,519
says really just subjective question

1023
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:31,799
mark observation that the American

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continent seems somewhat popular with

1025
00:44:37,729 --> 00:44:35,910
UFOs well I would say that apparently

1026
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:37,739
all continents seem somewhat popular

1027
00:44:42,499 --> 00:44:40,170
with UFOs I don't think that the

1028
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demographics of UFO reports would

1029
00:44:49,009 --> 00:44:46,769
justify that America is more visited

1030
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other places we even have considering

1031
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the very few people that are down in

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Antarctica we have some wonderful

1033
00:44:57,439 --> 00:44:55,769
reports from from very scientific and in

1034
00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:57,449
other cases military sources down in

1035
00:45:00,949 --> 00:44:59,549
Antarctica so I think they're generally

1036
00:45:03,769 --> 00:45:00,959
all over I don't think it would have

1037
00:45:05,449 --> 00:45:03,779
anything to do with America being unique

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00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:05,459
his third question was are there any

1039
00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:08,369
Native American stories or legends about

1040
00:45:10,969 --> 00:45:09,719
the discards how they originated

1041
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:10,979
especially why they were shaped like

1042
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:13,650
this and he says with the dome and the

1043
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:16,049
pearls keep in mind and Mississippians

1044
00:45:21,769 --> 00:45:19,079
had no written language and what they

1045
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:21,779
had of course was simply legends passed

1046
00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:24,930
down by word of mouth and we don't know

1047
00:45:30,739 --> 00:45:27,299
I was thinking about this question this

1048
00:45:31,999 --> 00:45:30,749
morning and it occurred to me that it's

1049
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,009
possible you know when the white man

1050
00:45:35,959 --> 00:45:33,839
came they they watch the Indian do this

1051
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:35,969
and he thought well just a game I don't

1052
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:37,650
think there was there's no written

1053
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:39,569
account that they questioned the Indians

1054
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,729
about an origin of it but if they had

1055
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:43,619
and if the keep in mind the

1056
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:46,950
Mississippian culture began as much as

1057
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:49,500
about a thousand years ago we're not

1058
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,220
even we can't be sure that the actual

1059
00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:55,560
original source of the the disk and how

1060
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,800
it changed into a very popular game

1061
00:46:03,319 --> 00:46:00,560
extremely popular for the white man cane

1062
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,329
would have been the original ideas would

1063
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,040
have been passed forward as to what they

1064
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:07,500
represented they may well have been but

1065
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:09,270
it might be as difficult for an Indian

1066
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:12,990
to want to talk to a white man about the

1067
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:15,510
sacred origins of a game as it might be

1068
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:17,910
for a Roman Catholic priest to want to

1069
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:20,700
administer communion to someone who had

1070
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:23,820
not taken the Catechism it may have been

1071
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:26,730
verboten and now he asked another good

1072
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:28,410
when he says do you find any traditions

1073
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:29,849
that talked about Genki and sergeant no

1074
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:31,050
that's well that's basically the same

1075
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:33,570
question that I answered no they don't

1076
00:46:37,339 --> 00:46:35,790
now he wanted to know does the use of

1077
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:37,349
materials like magnetite and pearls and

1078
00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:38,670
at least some of these artifacts in play

1079
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:40,470
they might have been used as magical or

1080
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,800
sacred well I think indeed they do he

1081
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,420
added are that they were made in the

1082
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,280
image of something that was perceived as

1083
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,680
being magical certainly even by our

1084
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,540
technological and aircraft Sanders today

1085
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:53,760
things that are attributed or described

1086
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:56,339
in UFO cases appear magical even to us

1087
00:47:01,160 --> 00:46:58,230
so certainly they would have to them

1088
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:01,170
then and if indeed these were effigies

1089
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:04,140
made for magical purposes of what they

1090
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,170
saw then I think that's not an

1091
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,060
unreasonable speculation and it is my

1092
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:11,760
speculation about this he said did you

1093
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:13,619
ever watch the game of chunky my answer

1094
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:15,660
to that is not unless I was an Indian of

1095
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,130
the Mississippian culture in a past life

1096
00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:19,980
but it ended with the white man they

1097
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:22,349
they wanted more exciting games the

1098
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,210
white man did pick up one of the Indian

1099
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:27,119
games but it was not this one he asked

1100
00:47:31,579 --> 00:47:29,579
though are the discards thrown or spun

1101
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:31,589
through the air or are they rowed on the

1102
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:33,180
ground when the white man came they were

1103
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:35,240
being rolled on the ground and the

1104
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:38,010
evidence is going back and looking at

1105
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:39,810
the different discs to suggest that

1106
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:41,310
they've been rolled on the ground for a

1107
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,990
long time whether the first ones were

1108
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:45,599
thrown or not all I can say is it my my

1109
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:48,839
- from the Piedra collection that ohto

1110
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:51,420
collection have no dents around the

1111
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:52,710
edges because yes they were either

1112
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:55,710
thrown or a road but when we get to the

1113
00:48:00,440 --> 00:47:58,170
bigger one from found just outside of

1114
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:00,450
Miami Illinois in central Illinois

1115
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:04,200
we do see quite a bit of ancient edge

1116
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:07,170
damage and this suggests that they were

1117
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:09,420
either throwing it or rolling on the

1118
00:48:12,499 --> 00:48:10,859
ground that might have had some you know

1119
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:12,509
real hard with some rocks or something

1120
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:16,140
in it but later on as they rounded the

1121
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,910
edge and made it

1122
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:20,099
in fact flatter of course there would be

1123
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:23,099
less tendency to get any damage as it

1124
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:24,359
was relatively long around because

1125
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,339
you're distributing the contact with

1126
00:48:33,229 --> 00:48:29,720
hard surface areas across a wider area

1127
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,239
now there was one yeah before we get

1128
00:48:37,759 --> 00:48:35,640
them get too far away from the question

1129
00:48:41,019 --> 00:48:37,769
about hematite one thing that we haven't

1130
00:48:43,549 --> 00:48:41,029
really addressed yet is the actual

1131
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,559
composition of the material that that

1132
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:46,079
these objects you know they've been

1133
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:48,210
found made out of and the earlier ones

1134
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:49,529
are made out of hematite and you have a

1135
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:52,619
theory about that that you told me well

1136
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,670
I don't know which theory referring to I

1137
00:49:00,200 --> 00:48:58,859
have several 30 are you talking about

1138
00:49:04,099 --> 00:49:00,210
every button I remember you sent me a

1139
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,109
map of a light fall in in an area where

1140
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,480
these things are first found okay this

1141
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:08,339
is what it was I sent Chris a map that

1142
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,359
showed the locations of finds of the the

1143
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:14,160
UFO like disc and the Salt River disc

1144
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,660
which of these subsequent derivation

1145
00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:17,880
they're from I believe and it also

1146
00:49:22,999 --> 00:49:20,279
showed a pointed out two locations of

1147
00:49:25,509 --> 00:49:23,009
ancient impact structures now these were

1148
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,519
far before the times of the Indians and

1149
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:28,140
in Illinois there was also of course a

1150
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:30,569
spectacular one that's right adjacent to

1151
00:49:36,529 --> 00:49:33,420
to the northeast and north of the famous

1152
00:49:38,989 --> 00:49:36,539
Serpent Mound in Ohio and I was merely

1153
00:49:42,279 --> 00:49:38,999
speculating and asking whether perhaps

1154
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:42,289
in an early Geological Survey of

1155
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:44,730
terrestrial things that these UFOs might

1156
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,890
have been seen by the Indians because

1157
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:49,980
it's if they were doing a gravitational

1158
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:51,450
survey of the surface of the map for

1159
00:49:55,339 --> 00:49:53,190
example and in some cases even a

1160
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,349
magnetic survey they would quickly pick

1161
00:49:59,299 --> 00:49:58,200
up anomalies associated with the impact

1162
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,309
structures that's been one of my areas

1163
00:50:05,059 --> 00:50:02,160
of studies is meteorites and impact

1164
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:05,069
effects instructors and if they were

1165
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,660
studying that then of course the Indians

1166
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:08,160
might have seen them doing so but that's

1167
00:50:12,019 --> 00:50:10,200
pure speculation we don't know what they

1168
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:12,029
actually were doing here I just thought

1169
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:13,800
it was interesting that there

1170
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:16,080
such a concentration in fact of others

1171
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:17,370
that I haven't mentioned of impact

1172
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:19,050
structures if you look at the map of

1173
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,570
structures United States the greatest

1174
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:22,980
majority of them is centered in the

1175
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:25,730
Regents with the Mississippian and the

1176
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:29,420
fort ancient cultures were located Chris

1177
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,670
misses the the early discs are made of

1178
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:34,380
hematite but obviously they have some

1179
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:36,150
magnetite because there they have

1180
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:38,250
various degrees of magnetism sometimes

1181
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:40,830
fairly strong every one of the hematite

1182
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,930
discards I've collected have that

1183
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,000
magnetic property I don't people wonder

1184
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:46,920
well did the Indians if they somehow

1185
00:50:51,350 --> 00:50:50,220
knew that the UFOs were magnetic did

1186
00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:51,360
they deliberately make these out of a

1187
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:54,150
magnetic material I don't I don't know I

1188
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:55,440
think don't think so I think it'd be

1189
00:50:59,060 --> 00:50:56,820
more likely that they thought the

1190
00:51:01,340 --> 00:50:59,070
hematite particularly the more metallic

1191
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,350
looking varieties of hematite looked

1192
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:03,960
like what they saw on or adjacent to the

1193
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:07,470
surface of of the UFOs I think that's

1194
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:09,090
more reasonable than pursuing that they

1195
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,500
made another that because they thought

1196
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:12,240
the objects were magnetic if you have a

1197
00:51:16,820 --> 00:51:14,370
comment or a question about the parent

1198
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:16,830
cast why just send us a note news at the

1199
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,940
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1200
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,160
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1201
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:22,800
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1202
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1203
00:51:38,279 --> 00:51:28,080
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1204
00:51:45,069 --> 00:51:41,890
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1205
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1206
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1207
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:51,559
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1208
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1216
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1217
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,660
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1218
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:22,160
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1219
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:23,690
investment advisors won't talk about

1220
00:52:26,859 --> 00:52:24,740
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1221
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:26,869
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1222
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:28,609
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1223
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:30,530
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1224
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:32,450
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1225
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:34,609
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1226
00:52:55,150 --> 00:52:49,020
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1227
00:53:03,160 --> 00:52:58,850
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1228
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1229
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:10,410
here's Jane Steinberg we're having one

1230
00:53:16,550 --> 00:53:13,230
of our funny Network issues with Chris

1231
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:16,560
as we continue our discussion with Ray

1232
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:18,570
Stanford Chris is kind of sounding a

1233
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:20,670
little Hollow there and hopefully in a

1234
00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:22,710
few minutes things will kind of clear up

1235
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,580
and improve can you hear me now yes you

1236
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:28,740
sound like the Verizon man can you hear

1237
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:29,280
me now

1238
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:31,560
good oh I'm sorry about that these

1239
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:33,150
things do tend to happen occasionally

1240
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:35,910
ray you'll have to forgive us modern

1241
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:38,040
technology sometimes is not all it's

1242
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:38,940
cracked up to be

1243
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:42,480
we need to crack the et mystery open and

1244
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:45,930
get them to help us there we go okay now

1245
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,200
as we broke ray Stanford was busy

1246
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,240
looking at the questions you listeners

1247
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:54,960
have posted at forum dr. Peric ascom we

1248
00:54:00,350 --> 00:53:58,410
have a special board called the question

1249
00:54:02,420 --> 00:54:00,360
Bank and we always open up a topic or

1250
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:02,430
thread for guests when we have enough

1251
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:04,890
fair warning this time we did and Ray

1252
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:07,530
before we broke for our previous break

1253
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:09,270
you were in the middle of answering some

1254
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,530
of the listener questions you want to

1255
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:13,680
move on yes well one of the listeners

1256
00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:16,650
hopefully he had posted seats a might

1257
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,360
not just check cherry picking picking

1258
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:21,180
the desk that at most like UFOs and he

1259
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:24,980
entered a posted a photograph of to

1260
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:28,410
cultural source UFO like things are disk

1261
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:30,570
shape anyway not UFO like necessarily

1262
00:54:35,810 --> 00:54:33,540
but actually the the two that he posted

1263
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,820
were from the ford action culture which

1264
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:37,680
is the older one up to a thousand

1265
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:39,450
cylinder 50 years old and the michigan

1266
00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:41,370
Mississippian culture which is only a

1267
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,790
thousand unless years old and it is not

1268
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:46,920
a question of cherry picking I was asked

1269
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:48,630
by Kris that he said he would love for

1270
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:51,240
me to do a thing on these discs and what

1271
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,300
I then did I picked out the ones that

1272
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,400
look most like UFOs and the ones just

1273
00:55:00,560 --> 00:54:58,260
following the salt rivers and posted

1274
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:00,570
them realizing that that if I posted my

1275
00:55:05,090 --> 00:55:03,030
whole collection of 30 some-odd discs we

1276
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,100
would probably take up a lot of space

1277
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:07,260
that you wouldn't want taken up

1278
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:08,970
also if you're looking for anomalies

1279
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,880
they have to be the exceptions so it's

1280
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,160
not like I'm cherry-picking anomalies

1281
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:16,440
well in the case of a UFO sighting there

1282
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:20,940
may be as MUFON said 6,000 UFO cases in

1283
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:24,480
all of 2011 that came to them one of

1284
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:26,670
those cases maybe 80 or 90% are

1285
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:29,100
conventional objects or phenomena the

1286
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:31,890
mystery exists with the exceptions so in

1287
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:34,440
this case ray the mystery exists with

1288
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:36,450
the exceptions that you found yes and

1289
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,340
thereby shouldn't meet you never seen

1290
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:40,980
that there is a continuum that is to say

1291
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:44,460
as you lay these out in front of you and

1292
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,470
you see these rarest of the rare of the

1293
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,630
UFO then you see for example now right

1294
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:50,040
now I'm just clicking on it so that I'm

1295
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:53,400
telling the truth I'm looking now in my

1296
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,310
picture file and I'm looking at one that

1297
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:59,280
we didn't get to post on there but this

1298
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,980
one has they've eliminated the domes and

1299
00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:03,900
put a little cup in the middle a small

1300
00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:05,340
cup in the middle for the index finger

1301
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:07,620
and the thumb so they can roll it under

1302
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:10,230
hand easily and it's retained eight the

1303
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:12,570
eight spots that I call likely

1304
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:14,790
representations of emitters devices that

1305
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:16,110
electrify the air for magnetic

1306
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:18,510
propulsion but on the other side they

1307
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,800
have none of these it's a beautifully

1308
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:21,780
pattern aided disk that I just missed

1309
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:23,010
recently getting into my own collection

1310
00:56:30,860 --> 00:56:27,420
someone else has now but it is a nice

1311
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:30,870
example of what in evolutionary terms we

1312
00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:33,570
call a missing link we do in fact have

1313
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:37,080
the links all along now and can show the

1314
00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:39,150
gradual transition from the rarest to

1315
00:56:43,310 --> 00:56:41,190
the most common and the more they become

1316
00:56:46,610 --> 00:56:43,320
modified from the original disk the more

1317
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:46,620
you're likely to find the types and that

1318
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:49,740
curve of design change coincides with

1319
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:52,680
the curve of popularity of the game

1320
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:56,160
across from the at least in

1321
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:56,940
Mississippians

1322
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,890
first period all the way up to the

1323
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:00,540
coming of the white man so it's not

1324
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,730
surprising and it is totally reasonable

1325
00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:06,000
to presume that the rarest are the ones

1326
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:07,320
that were earliest and they were

1327
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:10,080
modified because the game obviously even

1328
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:11,820
as our own game rules have been modified

1329
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:14,910
was modified across time to just look at

1330
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,830
the game football American football it

1331
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:20,000
was kind of evolved out of the round

1332
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:22,580
soccer ball that had kind of morphed

1333
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:25,460
into an elongated rugby ball and in the

1334
00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:28,910
early 20s and 30s when American football

1335
00:57:34,089 --> 00:57:31,940
was devised the ball was uh seemed to be

1336
00:57:36,490 --> 00:57:34,099
wider and I'm not as long now it's more

1337
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,500
streamlined because the game has evolved

1338
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:39,200
into more of a passing game so in that

1339
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:41,630
short period we see an evolution of a of

1340
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,290
a game and game piece if you will so it

1341
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:46,880
stands to reason that you would see that

1342
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:50,420
in a game like chunky so you want to

1343
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,980
continue on their way and okay well let

1344
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:56,720
me let me get back to where that was

1345
00:58:04,240 --> 00:57:59,170
hold on let me see if I can here we go

1346
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:04,250
there was all right now let me I'm just

1347
00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:07,490
looking hold on now I wanted to comment

1348
00:58:14,109 --> 00:58:10,780
on something that that Angelo said and

1349
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,119
he said when someone was posting

1350
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:16,640
pictures of say Renaissance paintings

1351
00:58:21,940 --> 00:58:18,050
that have things in the sky that looked

1352
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:21,950
like our concept of UFOs he said but

1353
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:24,920
these were representations of God this

1354
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:26,750
may well be but the question we have to

1355
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:29,270
ask ourselves is where did the artist

1356
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,200
get the concept of what God in the sky

1357
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:35,119
communicating something down to people

1358
00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:37,820
below look like is it possible that in

1359
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:41,420
fact people were seeing things believe

1360
00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:42,890
that they were a manifestation of God

1361
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:46,040
are the gods in some cases and we're

1362
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:47,690
communicating with beams or whatever

1363
00:58:51,849 --> 00:58:50,300
downward we simply don't not know we

1364
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:51,859
cannot just put a question mark there

1365
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,140
and say because there's a question mark

1366
00:58:58,690 --> 00:58:56,240
it can only be taken to represent God

1367
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:58,700
because the artists are very talented

1368
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:00,500
and they're very specific and I swear

1369
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:02,290
that some of those in the paintings look

1370
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:04,910
in fact they're just as good as we might

1371
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:07,010
expect from the best UFO photograph

1372
00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:11,300
today one that was posted as coherent

1373
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:14,140
light coming down in a Simba thin beam

1374
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:17,570
which it seems a little bit odd because

1375
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:20,470
at the time they didn't have a way to

1376
00:59:25,450 --> 00:59:23,150
you know to beam coherent light and as

1377
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:25,460
in a laser which doesn't spread out over

1378
00:59:30,460 --> 00:59:28,250
distance so I mean that fact alone I

1379
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:30,470
think is very very suggestive out the

1380
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,940
collimated beam yeah it's a very

1381
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:32,480
interesting

1382
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,450
concept it was just concept was actually

1383
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:38,000
having seen certainly you can imagine

1384
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:39,770
that anyone seeing a collimated beam

1385
00:59:46,090 --> 00:59:42,740
would be quite impressed I would mention

1386
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:46,100
that now laser beam of low intensity of

1387
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,810
course it's not very visible unless you

1388
00:59:50,140 --> 00:59:49,040
have Marshall and they are to scatter it

1389
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,150
because it is coherent it's all

1390
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:52,400
traveling along the beam but as you get

1391
00:59:56,410 --> 00:59:54,770
to the higher energy beams that you get

1392
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:56,420
some energy pumping into the atmosphere

1393
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,420
you can actually see a glowing column

1394
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:02,480
and we don't know for sure yet although

1395
01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:04,750
we filmed quite a few examples of it

1396
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:06,920
exactly how these beams are created but

1397
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:08,330
we're beginning to get some good ideas

1398
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:10,490
from from the hard data work that I'm

1399
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,160
doing are we too early Chris - Trent's

1400
01:00:19,630 --> 01:00:15,200
laid into some of the questions people

1401
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:19,640
ask in fact about our laser the project

1402
01:00:24,370 --> 01:00:21,950
we were using and bouncing it off a UFO

1403
01:00:26,859 --> 01:00:24,380
because the sceptic had been in fact

1404
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:26,869
brought up by Voyager know I think it's

1405
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:29,420
a good place to go absolutely okay now

1406
01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:31,910
maybe backdrop here we really need to

1407
01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:33,590
look at the background here explain to

1408
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:35,600
our listeners who do not visit the

1409
01:00:40,570 --> 01:00:37,670
forums and you should forum dr. Peric

1410
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:40,580
ascom what we are talking about here

1411
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,890
okay now if they were to go back in the

1412
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:45,200
forum - several years ago a couple years

1413
01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:47,330
ago or so when I was last known I had

1414
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:49,700
provided and it is still available Chris

1415
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:52,880
tells me a what I call a slide photo

1416
01:00:58,450 --> 01:00:56,570
montage of the actual laser strike where

1417
01:01:01,380 --> 01:00:58,460
you can see I have a picture at the

1418
01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:01,390
lower left of the unit we were using to

1419
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:05,180
to generate the laser and and you can

1420
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:07,609
see where it was when at one point and

1421
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:10,130
then you can see where it was swept up

1422
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:12,200
and stopped at another point and in the

1423
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:15,830
sweep it catches the UFO in the beam I

1424
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:19,280
should point out that we never did fire

1425
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:22,310
that laser at anything that we thought

1426
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:26,060
might be a conventional aircraft in fact

1427
01:01:32,530 --> 01:01:29,270
before I ever tried to hit this object

1428
01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:32,540
with a laser I called the Bergstrom Air

1429
01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:34,520
Force Base just outside of Austin at

1430
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:37,400
that time and I talked to their command

1431
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:40,609
post who knew me and they confirmed that

1432
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:43,910
they had the object on radar but had no

1433
01:01:47,950 --> 01:01:46,370
idea of what it was they said it's on a

1434
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:47,960
as far as we're concerned we don't have

1435
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:49,940
any idea what that is out there it was

1436
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,460
at that time it hovered for our hovered

1437
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:54,170
or slowly approaches the during part of

1438
01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:55,970
the time for about ten minutes and then

1439
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:58,670
it changed its direction during that ten

1440
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:00,980
minutes I had called them and gotten

1441
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:02,990
that information so after it began to

1442
01:02:09,970 --> 01:02:05,510
move off I went to what we call the UFO

1443
01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:09,980
vector unit and succeeded in striking

1444
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,740
the object with the laser it was as it

1445
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:14,480
was moving at a rather high speed from

1446
01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:17,930
west to east now someone asked well in

1447
01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:19,700
those days you know lasers were pretty

1448
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:21,620
hard to get a hold of what in the world

1449
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:22,910
were you using

1450
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:26,870
well what we were using was it was

1451
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:30,290
custom-made for us by a major laser

1452
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:32,570
corporation at least at that time if

1453
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:34,420
nameless like onyx

1454
01:02:39,310 --> 01:02:36,800
before we get to like onyx and what it

1455
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:39,320
means and why it's there ray Stan for

1456
01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:41,300
joining us with Gene and Kris you're in

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not what's happening

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stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

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or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

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while gold has risen three hundred

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percent right now savvy investors are

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adding gold to their portfolios you

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should to find out what they know call

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1560
01:07:31,049 --> 01:07:27,460
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1561
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scientist we are exploring a lot of

1562
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issues but ancient history UFO research

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etc most important we're answering your

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questions many of you have posted

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questions at forum doctor para cast com

1566
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forum the para cast comm a lot of rich

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material there that we're exploring one

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by one and we mentioned of course

1569
01:07:55,049 --> 01:07:52,569
Angelo's questions remember Angelo is

1570
01:07:57,299 --> 01:07:55,059
one of our moderators he's a bit of a

1571
01:08:00,089 --> 01:07:57,309
skeptic let's point that out but he's

1572
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:00,099
very interested in what's going on ray

1573
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:01,210
you want to pick up where you left off

1574
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:02,440
where should we move on to another

1575
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:02,950
question

1576
01:08:09,089 --> 01:08:06,609
let me mention this this laser was no

1577
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:09,099
ordinary laser at all in fact back in

1578
01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:11,290
those days we were one of the very few

1579
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:14,140
in the world that had a video modulated

1580
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:17,350
laser now the laser was used in come in

1581
01:08:22,499 --> 01:08:20,170
parallel with a television camera and a

1582
01:08:25,169 --> 01:08:22,509
2,000 110 millimeter focal league

1583
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:25,179
catadioptric telescope with a photo

1584
01:08:29,459 --> 01:08:26,920
multiplier on the back of it that was so

1585
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:29,469
that it was designed primarily to test

1586
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:32,290
whether the laser beam would be bent by

1587
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:34,270
some field effect of the object because

1588
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:35,980
there had been some preliminary evidence

1589
01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:39,040
suggesting this but it also in case

1590
01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:40,870
which we would believe that they've been

1591
01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:42,040
here as long as they seem to have been

1592
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:44,589
decoded decode our television signals

1593
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:46,600
and see them it also carried a

1594
01:08:51,059 --> 01:08:49,089
television program that was designed to

1595
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:51,069
communicate with them should they be

1596
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:53,770
able to pick it up this video modulated

1597
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:55,540
laser as I said it wasn't anything you

1598
01:09:02,880 --> 01:08:59,679
pick up off the shelf back then in 1973

1599
01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:02,890
it cost our corporation eleven thousand

1600
01:09:07,530 --> 01:09:05,560
dollars and I checked just before the we

1601
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:07,540
went on the air and the change in

1602
01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:09,460
monetary value then if our economic

1603
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:10,989
system existed back then what we would

1604
01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:13,420
have paid for it was 49 thousand dollars

1605
01:09:17,999 --> 01:09:15,580
it was a very expensive unit but very

1606
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:18,009
important to our purposes we also tested

1607
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,920
it by communicating to a helicopter that

1608
01:09:25,169 --> 01:09:23,199
had a receiving unit in it so we know it

1609
01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:25,179
was capable of getting a message across

1610
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:27,940
great distances but the object that we

1611
01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:30,130
struck in the photograph proves it did

1612
01:09:35,099 --> 01:09:33,580
not stop and answer our inquiries and in

1613
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,109
case they did however

1614
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,880
we were wearing white jumpsuits and

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01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:39,310
green goggles that would block the the

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01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:41,560
intense long wavelength read of the

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01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,200
helium neon laser just in case their

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01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,440
answer a little more powerful than ours

1619
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:48,880
will ray we're talking about project

1620
01:09:55,050 --> 01:09:52,600
starlight which was your effort back in

1621
01:09:59,700 --> 01:09:55,060
the early 70s to gain hard data

1622
01:10:01,710 --> 01:09:59,710
scientific data from UFO events why

1623
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,720
don't you describe what project

1624
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:03,520
starlight was for our listeners who are

1625
01:10:07,860 --> 01:10:07,360
not familiar with it and yeah yeah go

1626
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:07,870
ahead

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01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:11,110
let me first dress that today the visual

1628
01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:12,520
name back then was project started

1629
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:14,620
International and it should not either

1630
01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:16,870
as intent purpose or philosophical

1631
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:19,270
outlook on life a reality

1632
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:22,090
be mistaken for the so called

1633
01:10:25,860 --> 01:10:23,110
johnny-come-lately

1634
01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:25,870
in my opinion copycat named project

1635
01:10:31,890 --> 01:10:29,140
starlight of of a certain well-known

1636
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:31,900
person who for certain fees which you

1637
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,370
can say the name Steven Greer and Steven

1638
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:44,290
Greer is not a problem here because he

1639
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:48,010
hates us anyway okay well I guarantee

1640
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,810
there's no there's no Effendi here with

1641
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:52,000
with what he's doing or the fact that he

1642
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:53,680
grabbed their name he thought we were

1643
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:54,940
out of the way actually we went

1644
01:10:58,770 --> 01:10:56,170
underground we were getting such good

1645
01:11:00,380 --> 01:10:58,780
stuff and resurfaced the name we use now

1646
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:00,390
so we're not mistaken for him is

1647
01:11:04,710 --> 01:11:03,190
organization for physical UFO science

1648
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:04,720
you can think of it by remembering the

1649
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,770
word the Latin word for work opus and

1650
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abbreviates organization for physical

1651
01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:13,540
UFO science and what we were doing Chris

1652
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:16,360
back then I had back in my very early

1653
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:20,800
days of actual in the field UFO research

1654
01:11:25,860 --> 01:11:24,130
I had naively gotten taken in by the

1655
01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:25,870
contact he claims of George Adamski

1656
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:28,750
which later when he revealed to me how

1657
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:30,550
he faked his photographs and that that

1658
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:32,760
he never had any physical contact with

1659
01:11:38,670 --> 01:11:35,800
alien beings I changed my mind I decided

1660
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:38,680
hey ray you got to get into something

1661
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:41,440
that means something to science in my

1662
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:43,510
high school days I had planned on

1663
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:47,170
becoming a rocket engineer and had not

1664
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:48,640
some of the largest rockets there were a

1665
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:48,940
lot

1666
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:51,489
by amateurs in that time period which I

1667
01:11:56,939 --> 01:11:53,560
have pictures in show in my presentation

1668
01:11:59,400 --> 01:11:56,949
on EFS to get my background but I after

1669
01:12:01,410 --> 01:11:59,410
some close encounters with UFOs and

1670
01:12:03,689 --> 01:12:01,420
after a damn ski telling us this

1671
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:03,699
I decided steer clear of all these

1672
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:05,890
claims about space brothers and

1673
01:12:12,030 --> 01:12:08,920
telepathic messages and try to get

1674
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:12,040
something that will communicate to the

1675
01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:14,770
real world of science rather than just

1676
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,420
with those who have a desire to believe

1677
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,120
something about alien visitors and as a

1678
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:22,719
result in 1964 after investigating this

1679
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:24,550
occur occasion being very impressed I

1680
01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:30,300
began to try to build up a way of

1681
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:33,460
photographing and and tracking UFOs with

1682
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:35,770
optical and electronic instruments my

1683
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:38,500
approach initially in Arizona beginning

1684
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:42,670
in 1964 to 1967 November was quite naive

1685
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:44,250
I was

1686
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:48,310
unfortunately influenced by the advocacy

1687
01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:52,960
of Kenneth I'm sorry of Don Quixote of a

1688
01:12:59,700 --> 01:12:56,260
writer in his proposal that that someone

1689
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,710
set up a mock UFO lighting on the ground

1690
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:01,840
that looked like a UFO in order to

1691
01:13:05,550 --> 01:13:04,030
convince UFOs that maybe one of their

1692
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:05,560
craft was disabled and they they'd come

1693
01:13:10,290 --> 01:13:08,260
down and you could get good images or

1694
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:10,300
film or something well that puts a knob

1695
01:13:14,729 --> 01:13:12,850
that puts in my opinion any whoever

1696
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:14,739
whatever intelligence is behind these

1697
01:13:18,270 --> 01:13:16,270
things needs to be very intelligent and

1698
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:18,280
it puts it down to a naively

1699
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,070
ridiculously dumb level that they would

1700
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:23,199
think an artifact on the ground of

1701
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:25,060
lights was something of theirs I think

1702
01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:26,560
they probably know where they're their

1703
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:29,320
craft wherever they come from or located

1704
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,670
when they're in the vicinity of the

1705
01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:32,800
earth well we did this though and we did

1706
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:36,040
this for 64 from the beginning of the

1707
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summer 64 through November of 67 kind of

1708
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:43,360
like duck hunting right ray will you get

1709
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:45,550
your duck decoys out and well it's

1710
01:13:51,740 --> 01:13:48,489
against the Ducks all right right yeah

1711
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:51,750
that's right and but we decided to

1712
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:54,340
instead after I got to Texas I decided

1713
01:13:59,610 --> 01:13:56,250
to well I still held on to the idea

1714
01:14:01,320 --> 01:13:59,620
partly what we did outside of Austin in

1715
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:01,330
73 when I began to get funding we built

1716
01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:02,530
a huge weed under

1717
01:14:07,919 --> 01:14:04,750
earlier at Pike Creek Texas and we did

1718
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:07,929
have a UFO show up and it apparently

1719
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,550
flashed interesting they I won't get

1720
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:11,440
into the details that to take time of

1721
01:14:14,879 --> 01:14:13,270
that but it flashed what apparently was

1722
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:14,889
what mathematically you would call

1723
01:14:20,549 --> 01:14:17,170
inverse pie we were flashing a

1724
01:14:22,379 --> 01:14:20,559
mathematical code of Pi and yet

1725
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,389
apparently flashed inverse PI for

1726
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:24,159
whatever that might or might not mean

1727
01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:27,010
anyway we didn't get any any pictures

1728
01:14:32,549 --> 01:14:29,800
that night but once we moved to Austin

1729
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:32,559
and we had headquarters in town but that

1730
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:34,030
should not be mistaken for our

1731
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,010
headquarters initially with two lab

1732
01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:38,800
buildings that was way out northwest of

1733
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,039
town beyond the end of Highway 20 to 22

1734
01:14:48,839 --> 01:14:44,320
and Valente Road in the hill country

1735
01:14:50,549 --> 01:14:48,849
where we had a 400 acre site and at the

1736
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,559
heyday of it we had the two lab

1737
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:52,239
buildings one was for electronic

1738
01:14:57,779 --> 01:14:53,800
equipment the other was for optical

1739
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,789
equipment and we had radar but it was

1740
01:15:02,370 --> 01:14:59,440
either I forget a 30 or a 60-mile radius

1741
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:02,380
radar that was licensed with the people

1742
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,610
you license these things with and we had

1743
01:15:09,689 --> 01:15:07,840
we had of course the later system I

1744
01:15:14,430 --> 01:15:09,699
mentioned we had to prove to the state

1745
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:14,440
of Texas satisfaction that we could we

1746
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:16,090
that we would not mistake a conventional

1747
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:19,780
aircraft for a UFO as being a UFO and

1748
01:15:25,049 --> 01:15:22,179
therefore possibly knock pilots you know

1749
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:25,059
hurt their vision by the laser I'll tell

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you well again two more lasers and his

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studies and all the work that race

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Stanford is done you with gene and Chris

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about setting up this laser test and

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trying to I guess communicate with et

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right well yes that was the piggyback on

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idea what the light beam was the

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way as the laser but if we should be

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filming a UFO up there in the star that

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we have it if we move the the laser and

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the telescope and the video camera

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certain church was having a carnival and

1879
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:14,520
I had a big spotlight carbon arc

1880
01:21:20,690 --> 01:21:17,340
spotlight beam and a UFO came and was

1881
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:20,700
playing around up there and and they

1882
01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:22,710
decided to try to hit the object with

1883
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:24,630
the spotlight beam what is interesting

1884
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:26,640
is that I have a copy of one of the film

1885
01:21:29,930 --> 01:21:28,590
frames in which the you see the big old

1886
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:29,940
beam because the light scattered there

1887
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:31,500
was quite a bit of mushroom there that

1888
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:34,140
night you see the beam go up and it's

1889
01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:36,600
it's missing the UFO by oh I would guess

1890
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:40,590
maybe 7 degrees or so at least 5 degrees

1891
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:42,450
but all of a sudden when it gets within

1892
01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:45,480
a certain radius of the so-called UFO it

1893
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:47,670
sharply bends and hits the UFO and

1894
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,650
reflects off of it so it's strongly

1895
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:51,360
suggest and there you have probably the

1896
01:21:58,190 --> 01:21:55,020
first instrumented evidence a UFO effect

1897
01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:58,200
bending light and that's why we use the

1898
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:00,870
laser system in the the bend experiment

1899
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,070
but we wanted the piggy

1900
01:22:05,780 --> 01:22:04,320
capability of seeing if we could

1901
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:05,790
possibly communicate with them which

1902
01:22:09,530 --> 01:22:07,380
would have been well worthwhile but it

1903
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,540
proved futile eventually as we got the

1904
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:11,280
sophisticated equipment the recording

1905
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:13,739
gravimeter recording magnetometer we

1906
01:22:16,879 --> 01:22:15,780
quit using the the light circle that we

1907
01:22:19,129 --> 01:22:16,889
had there there was electronically

1908
01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:19,139
sequence because it was creating

1909
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:21,239
magnetic noise that was being picked up

1910
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:24,030
by the magnetometer and we certainly

1911
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:25,770
don't want to introduce noise into any

1912
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:28,020
system when we were recording important

1913
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:30,329
physical parameters of useful operation

1914
01:22:35,839 --> 01:22:32,219
ask a question here when you got this

1915
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,849
inverse feedback or whatever to your

1916
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:37,920
transmissions did the UFO do any

1917
01:22:42,589 --> 01:22:40,170
physical change in maneuvering or yes

1918
01:22:44,450 --> 01:22:42,599
yes it stopped it stopped overhead

1919
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:44,460
temporarily and did this and then it

1920
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,170
moved on stopped again and then moved on

1921
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:48,540
to the northwest Herrmann correctly but

1922
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:50,610
it looked to be very high up it was the

1923
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:53,159
pure white as you could possibly see it

1924
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:55,170
was a very intense light that was being

1925
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:56,730
emitted from it it wasn't you know

1926
01:23:00,530 --> 01:22:58,770
wasn't anything like the relatively low

1927
01:23:02,089 --> 01:23:00,540
intensity of satellite and it could he

1928
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:02,099
was that wasn't on a satellite course

1929
01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:05,219
but it was enough to convince us that it

1930
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,079
was truly anomalous and when he had

1931
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:10,320
stopped and did this and we we looked at

1932
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:13,050
what it had done it appeared to be the

1933
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:15,420
inverse of I now explain to our

1934
01:23:19,129 --> 01:23:17,190
listeners and we really don't have

1935
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:19,139
mathematicians here and I'll tell you

1936
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:21,270
that quite frankly we know what pi is

1937
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:23,550
you know it's kind of like an endless

1938
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:27,000
number that goes on in verse of pie what

1939
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:29,159
does that mean in the real world in

1940
01:23:33,379 --> 01:23:31,110
plain English we don't know what it

1941
01:23:35,569 --> 01:23:33,389
actually means the thing why do I

1942
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:35,579
include the inverse of Pi and thats

1943
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:38,219
related to pi well I don't ask me we

1944
01:23:42,919 --> 01:23:40,639
didn't ask him to transmit that it was

1945
01:23:44,959 --> 01:23:42,929
when we don't know that it's what he was

1946
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:44,969
but that's what it looked like that's

1947
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,130
what the way it was interpreted now

1948
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,679
often it seemed like in in some of the

1949
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,360
the UFO related experience that people

1950
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:53,280
have it's almost as if there is a form

1951
01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:54,239
of what would be called a lateral

1952
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,060
communication if there was a

1953
01:24:01,970 --> 01:23:58,739
communicational content there then we

1954
01:24:03,740 --> 01:24:01,980
have to look and try to say now PI of

1955
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:03,750
course for those that have forgotten

1956
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,610
their geometry it's is the ratio of the

1957
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,199
diameter discomforts of a circus tree

1958
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:10,320
circled 3.14 and gone numbers just keep

1959
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:13,530
on going it seems to infinity and that

1960
01:24:19,609 --> 01:24:16,110
in itself is rather unique

1961
01:24:22,729 --> 01:24:19,619
and the inverse of it I'm not sure I

1962
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:22,739
mean there is not there's not enough

1963
01:24:25,939 --> 01:24:24,510
solid evidence for example we didn't

1964
01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:25,949
have the equipment we had later where we

1965
01:24:32,510 --> 01:24:27,480
would have recorded this whole thing and

1966
01:24:34,220 --> 01:24:32,520
since it's not solid enough if we have

1967
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:34,230
were solid enough we would probably do a

1968
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:35,900
lot of work and try to publish something

1969
01:24:42,169 --> 01:24:39,090
explaining what that might mean but

1970
01:24:44,689 --> 01:24:42,179
since we can't prove it we prefer to

1971
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:44,699
focus upon the data that we did get

1972
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:46,500
recorded with good optical and

1973
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:49,290
electronic instruments and leave that to

1974
01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:52,440
the SATA K'Ehleyr curiosity let me ask

1975
01:24:59,180 --> 01:24:55,580
you a question here you had this one

1976
01:25:01,580 --> 01:24:59,190
instance where you fire the laser beam

1977
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,590
at the UFO it seemed to respond and

1978
01:25:05,689 --> 01:25:04,080
hover overhead did you repeat it to see

1979
01:25:07,939 --> 01:25:05,699
what happened with other sightings one

1980
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:07,949
word stopped and her bird overhead did

1981
01:25:12,109 --> 01:25:10,020
the under spy there was no laser we had

1982
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:12,119
simply had a light circle hundred feet

1983
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,070
Bamber there was a pipe creek outside of

1984
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:16,320
Pyke okay okay so you've clarified okay

1985
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:18,900
but I'm saying here with these tests

1986
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:21,150
with lasers with all these light circles

1987
01:25:24,919 --> 01:25:23,010
and stuff this happened a number of

1988
01:25:27,109 --> 01:25:24,929
years ago that you try to repeat those

1989
01:25:28,970 --> 01:25:27,119
experiments since then now we haven't

1990
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:28,980
tried to repeat them we decided that

1991
01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:32,130
that approach was somewhat naive and the

1992
01:25:35,899 --> 01:25:33,900
best approach was the direct approach

1993
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,909
simply to not let them know you're there

1994
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:38,159
and try to get the data with the

1995
01:25:42,140 --> 01:25:39,570
instruments that may be a little naive

1996
01:25:45,109 --> 01:25:42,150
too because okay but you say naive in

1997
01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:45,119
what sense I mean is there a side effect

1998
01:25:48,859 --> 01:25:46,350
that you're not telling us something

1999
01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:48,869
negative oh wait I'm sorry I didn't

2000
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,460
understand you what you were asking okay

2001
01:25:55,129 --> 01:25:52,800
well you you said that your efforts to I

2002
01:25:57,729 --> 01:25:55,139
guess communicate or communicate

2003
01:26:00,680 --> 01:25:57,739
information or send signals to the UFOs

2004
01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:00,690
these were naive in what sense were they

2005
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,219
naive because one it it's like well it

2006
01:26:08,899 --> 01:26:06,960
let me give it analogy to the contact

2007
01:26:10,220 --> 01:26:08,909
called on the island that was depicted

2008
01:26:12,379 --> 01:26:10,230
in that movie mundo County or wherever

2009
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:12,389
it was was we in fact where the contact

2010
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,460
focused I mean they go on their way to

2011
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:15,600
doing whatever they wanted they may

2012
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:17,730
notice you and stop or something but the

2013
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:20,310
contact people who focused on the island

2014
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:22,170
could not have expected the aircraft

2015
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:23,850
flying over to Guam or wherever they're

2016
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:27,360
going to to stop and entertain them by

2017
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:29,490
responding to their signals in

2018
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,770
and likewise it seems to me that we were

2019
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:34,320
naive UFOs have responded signals when

2020
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:36,450
they were in close range and person to

2021
01:26:40,670 --> 01:26:38,310
flash flashlight said oh they did that

2022
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:40,680
to me one time this is by in fact one of

2023
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:42,810
the few cases it out of the many that's

2024
01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:45,150
listed is truly understand but it

2025
01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:47,400
happens all the time with Steven Greer -

2026
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:49,950
boy he'd so many people are just well

2027
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:51,900
yeah those last lights clicking in those

2028
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,510
cops are claiming they made they made

2029
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:57,120
contact and so on I mean what I'm saying

2030
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:02,280
is we do not do that anymore because we

2031
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:04,110
think it is naive and we would certainly

2032
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:06,330
not charge people as steam grittiest to

2033
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:08,250
teach them to contact we do not believe

2034
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:10,020
that you can contact UFOs with

2035
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:12,090
flashlights so you'd have an ambassador

2036
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:14,280
training to the universe ambassador to

2037
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:16,530
the university nians and uh and we

2038
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:18,810
didn't have that now we're poor people

2039
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,370
we couldn't afford that he charges too

2040
01:27:24,620 --> 01:27:23,340
much if you're charged enough you get

2041
01:27:31,850 --> 01:27:24,630
enough people you can make a lot of

2042
01:27:33,650 --> 01:27:31,860
money from it the business you did he

2043
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,660
may make some money but we're not doing

2044
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:35,520
then we could have everybody like like

2045
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:37,110
they do and see SETI they can all

2046
01:27:41,390 --> 01:27:38,820
surround you and lay their hands on you

2047
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:41,400
and let you be the medium the channel oh

2048
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:43,020
wow I didn't know they'd do that but

2049
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:46,020
that's even more exciting days so that's

2050
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:48,690
really interesting but you know we we

2051
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:51,000
began to get more success when we we

2052
01:27:55,940 --> 01:27:53,400
change their approach to just simply the

2053
01:27:58,130 --> 01:27:55,950
passive instrument monitoring we did

2054
01:27:59,300 --> 01:27:58,140
have some one night well that's another

2055
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:59,310
story I don't know if we want to get

2056
01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:00,420
into that now Christa

2057
01:28:03,620 --> 01:28:01,830
well you know what that you know

2058
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:03,630
something ray you've kind of opened the

2059
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:05,940
door there you've pulled the chain out

2060
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:08,490
of the bottle you got more success with

2061
01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:11,100
other attempts okay right you tell us

2062
01:28:17,180 --> 01:28:14,280
something throw us a bone here okay well

2063
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:17,190
let me let see I was going to mention

2064
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:22,230
the I said okay the one night this was

2065
01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:24,210
in the beginnings before we had either

2066
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:26,790
of error lab building setup and we were

2067
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:29,310
in the process of building the light

2068
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:31,950
circle and we had a group of people out

2069
01:28:36,650 --> 01:28:35,010
at our lab site with cameras but and

2070
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,660
some of the guys had tripods and so on

2071
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:38,880
and I tried to teach the people not to

2072
01:28:43,410 --> 01:28:42,090
waste our film on mistaking conventional

2073
01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:43,420
objects as aircraft

2074
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:46,360
but they continued to do this and man

2075
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,890
they would be clicking away at something

2076
01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:49,360
was nothing but you know an aircraft

2077
01:28:55,290 --> 01:28:51,910
with a xenon strobe on it and so I made

2078
01:28:57,090 --> 01:28:55,300
a room I said you're not to click any

2079
01:28:58,410 --> 01:28:57,100
photographs without first clearing it

2080
01:28:59,459 --> 01:28:58,420
with me I'll let you know if it's

2081
01:29:01,800 --> 01:28:59,469
something you should take a picture of

2082
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:01,810
well as it happened a few days after

2083
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:04,270
that real estate down I had jumped back

2084
01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:06,460
into my car to get my jacket was getting

2085
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:10,420
Koo and I began to hear everybody

2086
01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:12,489
gathered around there saying hey can we

2087
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:13,900
take a picture can we take a picture and

2088
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:16,239
I jumped out of the car no say why

2089
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:18,940
aren't you taking pictures oh well there

2090
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,940
was but then I don't wait we gonna take

2091
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:22,719
simultaneously so we can have

2092
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:25,840
triangulation a textbook so-called dome

2093
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,960
disk was coming down that was coming we

2094
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:36,880
have Ray Stanford with gene and Chris

2095
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you do assumptions in the para caste

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because he will learn a great deal

2201
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paranormal with gene with Chris with

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race Stanford about the Dome disk coming

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01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:13,810
down towards him tell me more

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01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:15,730
it was actually it was not coming with

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01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:17,290
his bottom straight the axis straight

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01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:19,870
down it was tilted or you could see the

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the dome the the red glowing dome on top

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and you see the whole flange of the

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thing coming right on down and I said

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okay on zero five I want to know where's

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01:34:33,630 --> 01:34:31,900
everybody to get a picture at the same

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01:34:36,570 --> 01:34:33,640
time so we could triangulate while it

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01:34:41,070 --> 01:34:36,580
was still at one given position and four

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three two one that's they click and it

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01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:43,120
turns down like is hearing me with the

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01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:46,300
rheostat and vanishes well much to our

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01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:49,810
surprise within two maximum three and a

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01:34:54,990 --> 01:34:52,900
half minutes I believe to f4 phantoms

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01:34:56,730 --> 01:34:55,000
this is at night came right over the

2220
01:34:58,350 --> 01:34:56,740
middle of our light circle that's that's

2221
01:35:00,300 --> 01:34:58,360
actually we did have the light circle up

2222
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:00,310
but that was all we had up at that time

2223
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:02,050
we didn't have the buildings as I said

2224
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:03,910
they came right over the middle of it

2225
01:35:07,770 --> 01:35:05,530
within 50 feet which no one in a

2226
01:35:09,150 --> 01:35:07,780
conventional aircraft would they if they

2227
01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:09,160
told us later we're using infrared

2228
01:35:14,010 --> 01:35:11,500
scanners knew exactly where they were

2229
01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:14,020
related to the the nearby hills the two

2230
01:35:19,170 --> 01:35:16,420
of them passed over a few minutes later

2231
01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:19,180
a an airforce prop plane passed over

2232
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:22,270
well it wasn't until some months later

2233
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,270
that our office got calls from

2234
01:35:29,250 --> 01:35:27,280
intelligence that Bergstrom Air Force

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Base had sent out the Air Force to start

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with the first one was from the head of

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intelligence and I wasn't there but the

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01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:37,530
the lady the front secretary out front

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01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:40,720
answered and he said that the they just

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01:35:44,940 --> 01:35:42,370
wondered they'd like them to vector

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01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:44,950
reports of UFOs from the public to us

2242
01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:46,960
and she said yes that's not you things

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01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:48,070
we pretty well that's there's nothing

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01:35:51,390 --> 01:35:49,630
unusual about that the Air Force was

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01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:51,400
willing to do that because they were at

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01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:52,900
that point actually using instruments

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01:35:59,040 --> 01:35:56,290
that started that in May of 52 and they

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01:36:01,020 --> 01:35:59,050
had most further along and understanding

2249
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:01,030
the objects in their phenomena

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01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:03,070
apparently then the public could ever

2251
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:05,290
provide them so they pass them out to us

2252
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:07,330
and we said fine but

2253
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:10,420
the next day I got a call from another

2254
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:12,580
person in intelligence and we verified

2255
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:15,490
this and I will eventually publish his

2256
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:18,670
name and rank and all the details he got

2257
01:36:23,670 --> 01:36:20,170
a call and he wanted to talk to me he

2258
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:23,680
got me the first place he he asked if he

2259
01:36:29,190 --> 01:36:25,330
said that intelligence out there had

2260
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about I think it was a dozen or maybe a

2261
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:31,180
baker's dozen people in intelligence

2262
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:32,830
there wanted to come and take a tour of

2263
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:35,710
our lab site and could I accommodate

2264
01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:38,890
this would we allow them to do so and I

2265
01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:40,510
said well you know I'm just ahead of the

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01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:42,520
project I'm not a president the board of

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01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:44,410
directors and I'll have to talk this

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over with everybody involved in and see

2269
01:36:53,370 --> 01:36:49,660
and it's it's a surprise you would want

2270
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,380
and to come out being Air Force and Air

2271
01:36:59,490 --> 01:36:56,320
Force intelligence then he but he began

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01:37:01,050 --> 01:36:59,500
to state that that they told me he said

2273
01:37:02,940 --> 01:37:01,060
you remember you remember the night when

2274
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:02,950
you had that object come right down over

2275
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:05,770
over you and and then a few minutes

2276
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:07,570
later to our forest came over your life

2277
01:37:11,340 --> 01:37:09,430
circle and I said yes sir I remember

2278
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:11,350
very well you want to explain that to me

2279
01:37:16,530 --> 01:37:13,450
and he said yes he said we were tracking

2280
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:16,540
that disc he said and we knew because we

2281
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,460
had recon assured your sight before and

2282
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:20,800
we knew it was coming down directly over

2283
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:22,960
your sights when it got very near the

2284
01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:25,090
ground as you know a few hundred feet up

2285
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:27,160
but almost where was about to go out of

2286
01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:29,230
a range of her because of the hills and

2287
01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:32,620
the terrain of our radar and he said all

2288
01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:35,860
of a sudden it vanished and we did not

2289
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:38,710
know whether it had gone up or down but

2290
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:41,170
if it had gone down we wanted to get out

2291
01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:44,080
there and we wanted to see if it was on

2292
01:37:48,150 --> 01:37:46,270
the ground and if so other action would

2293
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:48,160
be taken he said so that's why we flew

2294
01:37:52,530 --> 01:37:50,260
over we knew exactly where you live

2295
01:37:54,630 --> 01:37:52,540
Circle was because we had we had scanned

2296
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:54,640
it before and we went right there right

2297
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:55,690
away we didn't have to search for

2298
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,110
anything

2299
01:38:02,690 --> 01:37:58,960
and it wasn't on the ground much to our

2300
01:38:05,130 --> 01:38:02,700
relief but he then made a proposal and I

2301
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:05,140
believed that and interrupt maybe we

2302
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:07,150
need a break I don't believe that such a

2303
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:09,370
proposal was ever made to any other UFO

2304
01:38:13,110 --> 01:38:11,860
group or individual in the country or

2305
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:13,120
the world by the United States Air Force

2306
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:16,690
what they offered they they gave me the

2307
01:38:21,209 --> 01:38:20,470
command post phone number to Dowe if I

2308
01:38:23,609 --> 01:38:21,219
saw an

2309
01:38:25,709 --> 01:38:23,619
object that I recognized as an enormous

2310
01:38:27,870 --> 01:38:25,719
aerial object and they said that they

2311
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:27,880
knew that I was experienced enough that

2312
01:38:32,219 --> 01:38:29,860
I would not mistake a prosaic object for

2313
01:38:33,899 --> 01:38:32,229
it they stated that at any time that I

2314
01:38:34,859 --> 01:38:33,909
called that telephone number and I have

2315
01:38:36,660 --> 01:38:34,869
a tape recording of the entire

2316
01:38:40,529 --> 01:38:36,670
conversation I'm describing they would

2317
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:40,539
vector to f4 phantoms with IR infrared

2318
01:38:46,529 --> 01:38:44,530
scanning equipment to wherever I told

2319
01:38:47,609 --> 01:38:46,539
him I was they said you know

2320
01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:47,619
particularly know where the sigh

2321
01:38:50,729 --> 01:38:48,760
otherwise you're gonna tell us and we

2322
01:38:53,790 --> 01:38:50,739
but they said we have confidence in you

2323
01:38:55,469 --> 01:38:53,800
and your organization and we we will

2324
01:38:57,919 --> 01:38:55,479
scramble the Jets now you think about

2325
01:39:00,719 --> 01:38:57,929
what it costs to scramble to have force

2326
01:39:03,180 --> 01:39:00,729
they must have taken us pretty seriously

2327
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:03,190
so if if the Air Force or the government

2328
01:39:06,209 --> 01:39:04,449
pretends that they don't take this

2329
01:39:09,509 --> 01:39:06,219
subject pretty seriously they better

2330
01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:09,519
explain why they trusted Rey Stanford

2331
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:13,289
enough to vector to air force at his

2332
01:39:17,969 --> 01:39:16,210
suggestion by telephone that I checked I

2333
01:39:20,129 --> 01:39:17,979
called the number and verified that it

2334
01:39:22,109 --> 01:39:20,139
was exactly what I had been given it was

2335
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:22,119
not a trick I could even hear the jets

2336
01:39:26,129 --> 01:39:24,070
in the background and lingo going on it

2337
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:26,139
clearly it was the command post so this

2338
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:28,449
was not a telephone trick and also we

2339
01:39:32,879 --> 01:39:30,690
verified the officer identity

2340
01:39:35,879 --> 01:39:32,889
parenthetically with the government that

2341
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:35,889
can spend $700 on twelve let's see what

2342
01:39:40,049 --> 01:39:38,170
does it cost him to scramble Jess fifty

2343
01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:40,059
thousand a hundred thousand one I don't

2344
01:39:44,669 --> 01:39:42,460
know that well he might be more than

2345
01:39:46,529 --> 01:39:44,679
that now with the cost of field but I

2346
01:39:48,569 --> 01:39:46,539
don't know what it was back then but if

2347
01:39:51,959 --> 01:39:48,579
you talked to anybody about that they'll

2348
01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:51,969
tell you that that was really quite a

2349
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:54,190
commitment that they would do that at

2350
01:40:00,239 --> 01:39:57,130
that time it it indicates how seriously

2351
01:40:02,549 --> 01:40:00,249
they took the the need to gain data on

2352
01:40:04,049 --> 01:40:02,559
these objects now they knew me from the

2353
01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:04,059
first time that their bergstrom

2354
01:40:07,859 --> 01:40:06,760
intelligence Jimmy was when I had had

2355
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:07,869
the sighting that I said was

2356
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:09,489
unidentified officially in the files

2357
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:15,249
from the night of June 24th 1967 was it

2358
01:40:20,969 --> 01:40:17,050
note 60 67 yes

2359
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:20,979
67 and I was out at the Mansfield dam

2360
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:24,400
west of Austin and that was the case it

2361
01:40:30,060 --> 01:40:27,190
was it was before we had our project but

2362
01:40:32,850 --> 01:40:30,070
I hadn't I had mainly called Bergstrom

2363
01:40:34,410 --> 01:40:32,860
intelligence on hey lark simply because

2364
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:34,420
I want to know how seriously they would

2365
01:40:38,340 --> 01:40:35,110
take

2366
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:38,350
down a bunch of information to what they

2367
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:41,650
say ho ho ho I'm you know go call a TV

2368
01:40:45,300 --> 01:40:43,810
station or some UFO group but they

2369
01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:45,310
didn't they took it seriously and but

2370
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:46,420
without telling me

2371
01:40:50,729 --> 01:40:48,730
the next day I was just getting ready to

2372
01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:50,739
walk out the door to go to dinner there

2373
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:52,630
in Austin a knock came at the door and

2374
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:55,330
it was an officer from intelligence and

2375
01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:57,280
I of his name and some silver that would

2376
01:41:01,740 --> 01:40:59,170
eventually all on the record he took

2377
01:41:04,620 --> 01:41:01,750
detailed accounts from me and told me

2378
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,630
himself some very interesting things

2379
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:07,119
that I won't go into a nurse Chris wants

2380
01:41:11,459 --> 01:41:09,369
to knows this story rain I'd like to

2381
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,469
know about it this intelligence officer

2382
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:13,840
right now let's get the dates back

2383
01:41:18,899 --> 01:41:15,610
clarified here because we have a lot of

2384
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:18,909
events that have moved from one to the

2385
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:21,369
other and I want to really kind of focus

2386
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,650
strictly on some of these details when

2387
01:41:29,340 --> 01:41:25,840
did this happen what year again this was

2388
01:41:31,709 --> 01:41:29,350
in 1967 okay so we're talking quite a

2389
01:41:34,020 --> 01:41:31,719
long time ago in talking at a time the

2390
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:34,030
Beatles were still together we had this

2391
01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:35,800
summer in San Francisco before the

2392
01:41:43,859 --> 01:41:37,780
Beatles now The Beatles were in the

2393
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,869
early 60s 62 yeah no we're not the Indo

2394
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:45,520
we're just right near the end of it

2395
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:47,290
it was one of their last war before the

2396
01:41:52,590 --> 01:41:48,639
end of Bluebook was two years later

2397
01:41:55,620 --> 01:41:52,600
right that's right okay so we're in 1967

2398
01:41:57,959 --> 01:41:55,630
right this intelligence officer tells

2399
01:42:00,990 --> 01:41:57,969
you a few things yeah what did he tell

2400
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:01,000
you well he okay I'm gonna have to the

2401
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:02,170
reason I didn't want to go in that

2402
01:42:05,850 --> 01:42:03,489
unless you ask for it is because I have

2403
01:42:08,669 --> 01:42:05,860
to tell first of what I told him I went

2404
01:42:11,129 --> 01:42:08,679
out there merely I was it was me and my

2405
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:11,139
big 200-pound singin our dog big

2406
01:42:16,140 --> 01:42:13,449
Benedictus and in my little Volkswagen

2407
01:42:18,270 --> 01:42:16,150
buck intelligence officer I'd been

2408
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:18,280
looking down at that dog yeah right

2409
01:42:22,379 --> 01:42:21,010
definitely and and well it is worse they

2410
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:22,389
were saying to him that dog was his

2411
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,060
lover and it was summer in Austin but

2412
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:27,760
anyway I drove I was dry I decided

2413
01:42:31,379 --> 01:42:30,130
beginning I'd go out near the near the

2414
01:42:33,359 --> 01:42:31,389
dam there you know there had been

2415
01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:33,369
reports in the 60s a lot of UFOs over

2416
01:42:38,609 --> 01:42:36,940
Lake Wanaka and association with water

2417
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:38,619
and so I thought well I'll just drive

2418
01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:40,449
out the damn it's dark out there they it

2419
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:43,300
wasn't build up like it is now and so I

2420
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:46,210
was driving out there and and I'm the

2421
01:42:50,460 --> 01:42:48,850
fast driver but there was a

2422
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:50,470
heart in front of me that since it was

2423
01:42:54,330 --> 01:42:52,450
curving roads out in the Hill Country I

2424
01:42:58,230 --> 01:42:54,340
kind of hesitated to past there was a

2425
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,240
little red convertible austin-healey in

2426
01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:00,400
front of me and the correct from the

2427
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:02,230
what I could see from the light of

2428
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:03,670
course coming the other way that so

2429
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:06,010
there's two people in and but they

2430
01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:09,250
obligingly pulled over onto the shoulder

2431
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:10,990
and let me pass and I didn't honk at him

2432
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:12,730
didn't place my life but they let me

2433
01:43:17,490 --> 01:43:14,560
pass they were not only York drivers

2434
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:17,500
obviously I didn't get what you said but

2435
01:43:25,380 --> 01:43:21,820
I go on the we are the dog and I went on

2436
01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:25,390
up and parked right by the Mansfield and

2437
01:43:31,110 --> 01:43:27,100
there's a year of you to drive in park

2438
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:31,120
there and I had after I had been there a

2439
01:43:35,370 --> 01:43:33,010
while here comes the guys in the

2440
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:35,380
austin-healey and they pull in right in

2441
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:36,970
front of me and pull around and feather

2442
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:38,470
up and they pull up almost into the

2443
01:43:44,340 --> 01:43:40,510
trees because where they would put their

2444
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:44,350
car up on a slope and and they started

2445
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:46,930
flashing their lights into the sky the

2446
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:49,360
headlights the car I had a big spotlight

2447
01:43:53,010 --> 01:43:51,550
with me but they tried fighting a

2448
01:43:55,110 --> 01:43:53,020
licensed guy and then he come off now

2449
01:43:58,620 --> 01:43:55,120
wait a minute are these guys out here

2450
01:44:01,080 --> 01:43:58,630
with the same purpose I am and but after

2451
01:44:03,930 --> 01:44:01,090
a short while a blue cigar-shaped object

2452
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:03,940
kind of a little deeper than electrical

2453
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:07,690
blue to my memory now came across and

2454
01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:10,000
they wasn't moving on its axis it was

2455
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:11,800
moving as these things do they move on a

2456
01:44:15,900 --> 01:44:13,450
tilt in relationship to the direct

2457
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:15,910
neutrality look into this object and the

2458
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:18,910
ramifications back in 1967 in a moment

2459
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:20,860
with ray Stanford with Jean and Chris

2460
01:44:30,609 --> 01:44:27,000
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2486
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2487
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2494
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2495
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2496
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:59,330
here's Jane Steinberg immersed in our

2497
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:01,760
final hour with this fascinating tale of

2498
01:46:07,390 --> 01:46:05,360
a UFO case 1967 you're looking for them

2499
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,400
these people in the austin-healey are

2500
01:46:11,950 --> 01:46:09,440
looking for them the austin-healey by

2501
01:46:15,580 --> 01:46:11,960
the way that predates the Mini Cooper

2502
01:46:16,990 --> 01:46:15,590
doesn't it yeah sure does I know so

2503
01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:17,000
let's continue okay

2504
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:18,860
now by the way let me mention while I'll

2505
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:20,930
describe the sighting first here comes

2506
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:23,390
the cigar shaped object which was coming

2507
01:46:27,070 --> 01:46:25,310
kind of if I'd have to check my notes to

2508
01:46:28,990 --> 01:46:27,080
be absolutely sure but it was out of

2509
01:46:31,150 --> 01:46:29,000
what I think was generally the south and

2510
01:46:33,460 --> 01:46:31,160
it's coming across look like it's

2511
01:46:35,710 --> 01:46:33,470
following a horizontal path propelling

2512
01:46:37,420 --> 01:46:35,720
the earth and there's some clouds in the

2513
01:46:39,310 --> 01:46:37,430
sky so I'm overdoing the north but it

2514
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:39,320
comes across and I decide well I'm gonna

2515
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:41,270
signal the thing so I had one of these

2516
01:46:45,790 --> 01:46:43,490
spotlights it's about the front of us

2517
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:45,800
about four inches or so in diameter with

2518
01:46:49,650 --> 01:46:48,410
lentils big large bag not these round

2519
01:46:52,990 --> 01:46:49,660
batteries but these rectangular

2520
01:46:55,570 --> 01:46:53,000
batteries in a big battery and so I

2521
01:46:58,330 --> 01:46:55,580
stepped out of my car and started

2522
01:47:01,150 --> 01:46:58,340
flashing at this thing well it stopped

2523
01:47:02,650 --> 01:47:01,160
it stopped moving and stopped and I'd

2524
01:47:04,270 --> 01:47:02,660
have to review the case I wasn't

2525
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:04,280
expecting to mention this on this show I

2526
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:06,290
reviewed the case details to give it

2527
01:47:11,050 --> 01:47:08,570
more precisely but to tell you the truth

2528
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:11,060
and I'll confess that it kind of scared

2529
01:47:15,490 --> 01:47:12,800
me and I didn't barely jump back in the

2530
01:47:17,050 --> 01:47:15,500
car I you know I it was just a gut

2531
01:47:19,420 --> 01:47:17,060
reaction I'm there alone to my dog and

2532
01:47:22,060 --> 01:47:19,430
he didn't he didn't say anything then I

2533
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:22,070
got back out and I may have done it

2534
01:47:26,590 --> 01:47:24,110
gotten the nerve and did it again and he

2535
01:47:28,900 --> 01:47:26,600
stopped again eventually it went on I

2536
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:28,910
stopped flashing it and it started up

2537
01:47:33,370 --> 01:47:31,010
and it went on and it disappeared behind

2538
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,380
a cloud bank that was I would get a

2539
01:47:38,770 --> 01:47:35,600
judge about 25,000 feet kind of moving

2540
01:47:40,420 --> 01:47:38,780
in out of the Northwest I think and I

2541
01:47:43,420 --> 01:47:40,430
was in deciding well I reported this

2542
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:43,430
basically to the officer who was it was

2543
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:45,350
not low-level of this is pretty hard

2544
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,090
little officer there was interviewing me

2545
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:49,040
and as I said I do there his name to

2546
01:47:53,980 --> 01:47:50,650
this day a digital have in my memory and

2547
01:47:56,050 --> 01:47:53,990
I told him this I gave all the details

2548
01:47:56,890 --> 01:47:56,060
and it's subsequently yes you can find

2549
01:47:59,410 --> 01:47:56,900
it listed

2550
01:48:02,919 --> 01:47:59,420
this is Austin Texas for the 24th of

2551
01:48:04,510 --> 01:48:02,929
June 1967 actually I'd gone out there

2552
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:04,520
kind of celebrating the anniversary that

2553
01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:08,480
Kenneth Arnold event and anyway so he

2554
01:48:13,540 --> 01:48:12,020
got to talking and he said who do you

2555
01:48:14,169 --> 01:48:13,550
think those guys were in the

2556
01:48:16,330 --> 01:48:14,179
austin-healey

2557
01:48:18,189 --> 01:48:16,340
and I said well I don't know I said I

2558
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:18,199
wish I do because you know you could get

2559
01:48:21,790 --> 01:48:19,520
the impression that they were trying to

2560
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:21,800
do the same thing I was he said have you

2561
01:48:28,060 --> 01:48:25,520
entertained the possibility that there

2562
01:48:31,630 --> 01:48:28,070
are non-terrestrial

2563
01:48:33,399 --> 01:48:31,640
aliens that look like us that may be

2564
01:48:35,020 --> 01:48:33,409
carrying on operations right here on the

2565
01:48:36,340 --> 01:48:35,030
surface of the earth right among us even

2566
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:36,350
driving an austin-healey

2567
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:38,780
I'm sure this guy was an intelligence I

2568
01:48:42,939 --> 01:48:41,030
know for sure he transmitted all the

2569
01:48:43,930 --> 01:48:42,949
information and I later heard from

2570
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:43,940
Hector quintanilla

2571
01:48:48,729 --> 01:48:45,260
you know they had passed the information

2572
01:48:49,930 --> 01:48:48,739
on to Lubich headquarters it wouldn't

2573
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:49,940
have happened if this guy was not

2574
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:53,090
legitimate and I said well Dee I said

2575
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:55,250
hey man I said yeah I mean I suppose

2576
01:48:59,020 --> 01:48:57,110
that they could be if they're really

2577
01:49:00,640 --> 01:48:59,030
advanced they might take on the

2578
01:49:02,110 --> 01:49:00,650
appearance they won't I don't know if

2579
01:49:03,850 --> 01:49:02,120
they would naturally look like us but

2580
01:49:06,430 --> 01:49:03,860
they might be able to modify themselves

2581
01:49:08,410 --> 01:49:06,440
and look like as I said you know I

2582
01:49:09,939 --> 01:49:08,420
suppose as possible I said do you have

2583
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:09,949
some reason to believe that that's

2584
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:12,230
happening and he said yes sir I do

2585
01:49:17,770 --> 01:49:14,390
and so he's basically confirming that

2586
01:49:19,899 --> 01:49:17,780
this intelligence operative was on the

2587
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:19,909
up-and-up and he was and why would

2588
01:49:26,860 --> 01:49:24,110
confirm to you I'm confused here was to

2589
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:26,870
you if you mean what the empanada he was

2590
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,190
he from Berkshire Air Force Base there's

2591
01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:30,320
no question at all about that now

2592
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,670
wherever he was only up and up about

2593
01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:33,920
this story you see I then I said did you

2594
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:36,860
learn this in the Air Force and he said

2595
01:49:40,330 --> 01:49:38,510
yes but then I tried to question him

2596
01:49:41,470 --> 01:49:40,340
further and he kind of Paul Kerr said

2597
01:49:43,810 --> 01:49:41,480
well you know I think I've told you

2598
01:49:47,470 --> 01:49:43,820
problem we're not shutting out so he

2599
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,480
shut up after that so he planning hinted

2600
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:49,280
around that there are human looking

2601
01:49:53,110 --> 01:49:51,290
aliens walking among us that's right

2602
01:49:54,430 --> 01:49:53,120
well yeah yeah that was my impression my

2603
01:49:56,050 --> 01:49:54,440
impression is that he was totally

2604
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:56,060
sincere now I might be naive he might

2605
01:49:59,740 --> 01:49:57,530
have been just you know leading me all

2606
01:50:01,209 --> 01:49:59,750
I'm seeing if I would talk about Adamski

2607
01:50:03,850 --> 01:50:01,219
in space brothers something which I was

2608
01:50:05,379 --> 01:50:03,860
passed at that time but you know but my

2609
01:50:06,879 --> 01:50:05,389
impression was that he was quite genuine

2610
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:06,889
well that's interesting

2611
01:50:10,699 --> 01:50:08,630
yes and so they had that record that was

2612
01:50:13,489 --> 01:50:10,709
Berkshires first contact with me

2613
01:50:15,859 --> 01:50:13,499
that's in question if we checked through

2614
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,869
the Freedom of Information Act we may be

2615
01:50:20,029 --> 01:50:17,760
any chance we get any evidence of this

2616
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:20,039
or is that something just mean you don't

2617
01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:21,840
have to get freedom remain all you do is

2618
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:23,369
go the National Archive and check Blue

2619
01:50:27,259 --> 01:50:25,380
Book files you'll see this case Riccardi

2620
01:50:29,149 --> 01:50:27,269
right there and I have a copy of the

2621
01:50:30,140 --> 01:50:29,159
letter actually I've got it right here

2622
01:50:31,819 --> 01:50:30,150
but I don't think I've got it right here

2623
01:50:33,709 --> 01:50:31,829
and draw beside me including the name of

2624
01:50:36,169 --> 01:50:33,719
the officer and everything else but I

2625
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:36,179
don't you know how it is when you look

2626
01:50:38,359 --> 01:50:37,320
through a book to show somebody that

2627
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:38,369
something's in there and when they're

2628
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:40,050
there in front of you can't find it but

2629
01:50:49,129 --> 01:50:46,320
I I have also the copy of Hector

2630
01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:49,139
quintanilla eventually wrote me and he

2631
01:50:52,429 --> 01:50:50,699
started asking questions that had been

2632
01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:52,439
answered to this guy he said you know we

2633
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:54,179
have this case from whatever his name

2634
01:50:58,609 --> 01:50:56,489
was and he gave me the officer's name so

2635
01:51:00,109 --> 01:50:58,619
it was he definitely had it from him but

2636
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,119
he said you don't ask you this and I

2637
01:51:05,419 --> 01:51:02,159
wrote him back I said hey look Hector

2638
01:51:08,299 --> 01:51:05,429
this is ridiculous that man took copious

2639
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,309
notes and I said he gay I'm sure that he

2640
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:09,599
gave he impressed me as being

2641
01:51:12,500 --> 01:51:11,130
exceedingly thorough I'm sure that he

2642
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:12,510
gave you the answers to all those

2643
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:15,510
questions and I forget I'd have to check

2644
01:51:19,069 --> 01:51:17,610
my notes and Hector quintanilla is a

2645
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:19,079
letter you know who Hector quintanilla

2646
01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:21,719
was of course and it does with Blue Book

2647
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:25,289
and he gave me the impression that they

2648
01:51:30,589 --> 01:51:28,110
wanted to try to just flatten this case

2649
01:51:34,129 --> 01:51:30,599
out and make it easy to explain and

2650
01:51:35,449 --> 01:51:34,139
explain it and I don't remember my exact

2651
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:35,459
words I wish I had it right in front of

2652
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,510
me if I know it's going to talk about

2653
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:37,679
this I would have it in front me and

2654
01:51:43,459 --> 01:51:40,170
give me the detail but I got him told I

2655
01:51:46,370 --> 01:51:43,469
don't executed me I said you may fool a

2656
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:46,380
lot of people and collision people have

2657
01:51:51,049 --> 01:51:48,510
seen things you may convince him I said

2658
01:51:53,719 --> 01:51:51,059
but what I saw I am an experienced guy

2659
01:51:55,429 --> 01:51:53,729
observer I've been doing for years and I

2660
01:51:58,040 --> 01:51:55,439
have described in great detail to the

2661
01:51:59,989 --> 01:51:58,050
officer what I saw there is no

2662
01:52:03,319 --> 01:51:59,999
conventional explanation for the subject

2663
01:52:06,319 --> 01:52:03,329
and he he must have taken me seriously

2664
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:06,329
he well you'll see it's listed check it

2665
01:52:09,919 --> 01:52:08,070
for yourself include the clause it's

2666
01:52:11,799 --> 01:52:09,929
listed as one of the unidentifieds and

2667
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:11,809
it was one of the one of the last cases

2668
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:14,729
originally when Brad Stigers book on

2669
01:52:18,529 --> 01:52:16,320
Bluebird came out I think it said that

2670
01:52:20,270 --> 01:52:18,539
listed as the last case but subsequently

2671
01:52:22,359 --> 01:52:20,280
I think there are two or three maybe

2672
01:52:24,140 --> 01:52:22,369
other cases that they received

2673
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,150
subsequent to the

2674
01:52:28,580 --> 01:52:26,280
a project Bluebook that are now included

2675
01:52:30,410 --> 01:52:28,590
in the archive list now what's the

2676
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:30,420
official explanation from the air force

2677
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,730
about this case what do they say it is

2678
01:52:36,410 --> 01:52:34,800
unidentified check it for yourself I

2679
01:52:38,780 --> 01:52:36,420
have a couple of questions here that

2680
01:52:42,110 --> 01:52:38,790
spring to mind the first one is about

2681
01:52:44,510 --> 01:52:42,120
the event that you just described did

2682
01:52:46,580 --> 01:52:44,520
you attempt to go over and compare notes

2683
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:46,590
with the occupants of the austin-healey

2684
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:48,810
to the recollection I know this is it no

2685
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:52,290
no I didn't I mean I was alone and I

2686
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:54,300
don't know I had no weapons you know a

2687
01:52:57,290 --> 01:52:56,010
light as a spotlight and a big dog but

2688
01:53:01,729 --> 01:52:57,300
maybe I should have taken the big dog

2689
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:01,739
and gone away but I did not so company

2690
01:53:05,630 --> 01:53:03,570
as chicken in that respect I you know I

2691
01:53:07,580 --> 01:53:05,640
did it it didn't endure it never

2692
01:53:09,620 --> 01:53:07,590
occurred to me that they might be aliens

2693
01:53:11,660 --> 01:53:09,630
now oh wait I think I'm sorry I'm glad I

2694
01:53:14,450 --> 01:53:11,670
thought that because one thing he did

2695
01:53:17,209 --> 01:53:14,460
say he said hesitancy innard the

2696
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:17,219
possibility you know it but then he said

2697
01:53:22,340 --> 01:53:20,040
you see these guys could have if they

2698
01:53:25,250 --> 01:53:22,350
were aliens they could have used their

2699
01:53:27,229 --> 01:53:25,260
headlights as a physical lock own but

2700
01:53:28,669 --> 01:53:27,239
then once the lock own of location was

2701
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:28,679
obtained they might have been

2702
01:53:34,130 --> 01:53:31,260
communicating by some invisible to your

2703
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,140
eye means he did say that you know

2704
01:53:38,270 --> 01:53:36,000
something hits me from this and I'm just

2705
01:53:40,459 --> 01:53:38,280
gonna throw it out as a really offhand

2706
01:53:42,620 --> 01:53:40,469
off-the-wall suggestion with his

2707
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:42,630
intelligence agent sure he may have been

2708
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:44,370
the real thing do you think he was

2709
01:53:49,580 --> 01:53:47,130
playing games with you pulling your leg

2710
01:53:51,380 --> 01:53:49,590
just kind of seeing how you'd react to

2711
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:51,390
something a little bit out there oh yeah

2712
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,010
I suggested that a while ago I mean that

2713
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:54,960
is a possibility I've entertained that

2714
01:53:59,180 --> 01:53:57,090
possibility many times sometimes I mean

2715
01:54:01,240 --> 01:53:59,190
he seemed totally sincere but on the

2716
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:01,250
other hand there's some good liars and

2717
01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:04,830
it could be either way I really don't

2718
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,320
know you know also they would possibly

2719
01:54:12,110 --> 01:54:10,400
have information about you obviously and

2720
01:54:14,660 --> 01:54:12,120
to be blunt

2721
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:14,670
you know you're a UFO guy a lot of

2722
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:16,650
people think that UFO people and they

2723
01:54:20,990 --> 01:54:18,510
think that of me we're just a bunch of

2724
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:21,000
wackos and so maybe he figured well you

2725
01:54:25,310 --> 01:54:22,560
know what I'm gonna see what I can do

2726
01:54:27,470 --> 01:54:25,320
I'm going to stretch the envelope see

2727
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,480
precisely how this guy is going to react

2728
01:54:33,379 --> 01:54:30,480
when I tell him all this stuff see if he

2729
01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:33,389
does wacky things oh yeah yeah he could

2730
01:54:37,939 --> 01:54:36,780
well be but the thing is ultimately he

2731
01:54:40,489 --> 01:54:37,949
took me obviously what

2732
01:54:42,620 --> 01:54:40,499
very seriously because the case did end

2733
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,630
up as one of the you know out of the

2734
01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:44,639
numbers and they slowly studied I wonder

2735
01:54:49,479 --> 01:54:46,920
how much tell you did bit but it is

2736
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:49,489
truly listed as an unidentified case

2737
01:54:56,719 --> 01:54:52,050
well I have another question and it

2738
01:54:58,520 --> 01:54:56,729
involves the the event where the Jets

2739
01:55:01,009 --> 01:54:58,530
was scrambled and later a few minutes

2740
01:55:03,469 --> 01:55:01,019
later a pop plane now he would mention

2741
01:55:06,339 --> 01:55:03,479
that in 67 you would already established

2742
01:55:09,459 --> 01:55:06,349
a somewhat of a rapport with the

2743
01:55:11,689 --> 01:55:09,469
officials at Bergstrom do you recall

2744
01:55:13,609 --> 01:55:11,699
calling Bergstrom that night and saying

2745
01:55:15,799 --> 01:55:13,619
hey did you guys pick up something on

2746
01:55:17,569 --> 01:55:15,809
radar oh you mean the night the Jets

2747
01:55:19,489 --> 01:55:17,579
came over the side record defeat up oh

2748
01:55:20,979 --> 01:55:19,499
no we didn't communicate with him our

2749
01:55:23,299 --> 01:55:20,989
coach you didn't have cell phones then

2750
01:55:24,859 --> 01:55:23,309
we'll have to ask more about that

2751
01:55:26,359 --> 01:55:24,869
communication or attempt or why you

2752
01:55:29,029 --> 01:55:26,369
didn't in a moment

2753
01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:29,039
we've got race Stanford with Jean and

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2780
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2781
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to hear stories of our property seizures

2782
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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2783
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stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2784
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the US citizen will ever again

2785
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the right to life liberty and the

2786
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pursuit of happiness unfortunately with

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2789
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trading with the enemy act in Franklin D

2790
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2791
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2792
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government intervention for this reason

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2847
02:00:21,719 --> 02:00:19,749
so you didn't think ray Stanford about

2848
02:00:22,559 --> 02:00:21,729
checking up further on what they knew

2849
02:00:24,329 --> 02:00:22,569
about this

2850
02:00:26,579 --> 02:00:24,339
you mean about what the officer told me

2851
02:00:28,529 --> 02:00:26,589
when he came to my apartment there no no

2852
02:00:31,229 --> 02:00:28,539
no the bird would call him Bergstrom

2853
02:00:33,179 --> 02:00:31,239
after the plane flew over sure sure

2854
02:00:34,979 --> 02:00:33,189
I did not think that I would get any

2855
02:00:36,989 --> 02:00:34,989
information little did I know that they

2856
02:00:38,359 --> 02:00:36,999
would you know within it was a matter of

2857
02:00:40,859 --> 02:00:38,369
just a few months at most I guess

2858
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:40,869
actually call me and bring up the

2859
02:00:44,309 --> 02:00:43,119
subject and tell me why they did it you

2860
02:00:45,989 --> 02:00:44,319
know I knew they had to been there

2861
02:00:47,369 --> 02:00:45,999
because of that I mean we presumed that

2862
02:00:49,049 --> 02:00:47,379
that they had tracked her they wouldn't

2863
02:00:50,609 --> 02:00:49,059
been out there because they never come

2864
02:00:52,979 --> 02:00:50,619
before I we'd had a National Guard

2865
02:00:55,770 --> 02:00:52,989
helicopter come over and wave

2866
02:00:57,719 --> 02:00:55,780
flashlights at us as they saw our light

2867
02:00:59,159 --> 02:00:57,729
circle but that wasn't officially

2868
02:01:00,899 --> 02:00:59,169
they're just guys on a weekend or

2869
02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:00,909
National Guard having fun with what

2870
02:01:05,009 --> 02:01:02,169
they'd read about in the papers are seen

2871
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:05,019
on TV but these guys we never would have

2872
02:01:08,669 --> 02:01:06,159
thought they would have told me anything

2873
02:01:10,619 --> 02:01:08,679
but in as I said they call up and I mean

2874
02:01:12,389 --> 02:01:10,629
this fella called from intelligence and

2875
02:01:14,309 --> 02:01:12,399
explained exactly why they were there

2876
02:01:15,629 --> 02:01:14,319
they wondered they had done find out if

2877
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:15,639
it was on the ground in contact with us

2878
02:01:20,669 --> 02:01:18,369
and offered to kind of channel reports

2879
02:01:21,899 --> 02:01:20,679
to you I mean that's that's yeah well

2880
02:01:23,909 --> 02:01:21,909
that was the day before that's not

2881
02:01:26,279 --> 02:01:23,919
unusual II had done that since they were

2882
02:01:28,679 --> 02:01:26,289
you know no longer interested but they

2883
02:01:30,750 --> 02:01:28,689
offered that they made to me they I said

2884
02:01:33,569 --> 02:01:30,760
what's there any from me I said look I

2885
02:01:36,149 --> 02:01:33,579
call you we have a UFO out of the web´s

2886
02:01:39,059 --> 02:01:36,159
at our lab site I called you and you

2887
02:01:40,770 --> 02:01:39,069
scramble Air Force I said that thing

2888
02:01:42,599 --> 02:01:40,780
could get the hell out of here you know

2889
02:01:44,819 --> 02:01:42,609
I mean we may lose data because we

2890
02:01:46,469 --> 02:01:44,829
called you and it's not you that we want

2891
02:01:47,849 --> 02:01:46,479
to track we want to track them and I

2892
02:01:50,279 --> 02:01:47,859
said so what they're NFRC said now we

2893
02:01:51,719 --> 02:01:50,289
have very these scanning pictures he

2894
02:01:53,339 --> 02:01:51,729
said we have excellent your whole side

2895
02:01:55,770 --> 02:01:53,349
you said you know you have that stated

2896
02:01:57,869 --> 02:01:55,780
there at television and out there was

2897
02:01:59,489 --> 02:01:57,879
color and we're going to superimpose we

2898
02:02:01,469 --> 02:01:59,499
did have a map superbug but we can give

2899
02:02:03,779 --> 02:02:01,479
you detailed maps to superimpose and let

2900
02:02:05,250 --> 02:02:03,789
that you color TV set was even the TV

2901
02:02:06,750 --> 02:02:05,260
people came up there and so that's that

2902
02:02:08,219 --> 02:02:06,760
and the resolution what we could do with

2903
02:02:12,089 --> 02:02:08,229
it we was shocked it was expensive too

2904
02:02:14,069 --> 02:02:12,099
but there was him offering these aerial

2905
02:02:16,229 --> 02:02:14,079
scans which we didn't have a good

2906
02:02:18,089 --> 02:02:16,239
satellites that we can get now for the

2907
02:02:20,729 --> 02:02:18,099
Google Earth anything that we have now

2908
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:20,739
and offering these for us to put on the

2909
02:02:26,370 --> 02:02:23,890
screen and so we could tell over what

2910
02:02:27,930 --> 02:02:26,380
was maneuvering because we had we had

2911
02:02:29,790 --> 02:02:27,940
three cameras you know we weren't

2912
02:02:31,290 --> 02:02:29,800
picking it up on her radar we have three

2913
02:02:32,610 --> 02:02:31,300
cameras stations there were hundreds of

2914
02:02:34,590 --> 02:02:32,620
feet apart with underground lines

2915
02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:34,600
hopefully prevent the field effect of

2916
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:35,710
the UFOs from knocking out the

2917
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:37,150
communication between the camera

2918
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:40,090
stations and the simultaneous electronic

2919
02:02:44,220 --> 02:02:41,890
actuation of the the shutter

2920
02:02:46,290 --> 02:02:44,230
we had optical Infinity aimers on the

2921
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:46,300
cameras and they were used so that we

2922
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:48,400
would be very accurately aimed right at

2923
02:02:52,890 --> 02:02:51,130
it and all three cameras would be aimed

2924
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:52,900
at it in the same way and their shaft

2925
02:02:56,730 --> 02:02:54,850
encoders would put data into the

2926
02:02:58,140 --> 02:02:56,740
computer translated in to an aboveground

2927
02:03:00,630 --> 02:02:58,150
location which would then be

2928
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:00,640
superimposed on the the above-ground

2929
02:03:05,250 --> 02:03:03,160
photographs that he proposed they give

2930
02:03:07,740 --> 02:03:05,260
to us but I said well that's not quite

2931
02:03:09,930 --> 02:03:07,750
enough I said I can talk it over with

2932
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:09,940
the powers-that-be but frankly it sounds

2933
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:12,250
like it's not that it's a lopsided deal

2934
02:03:14,820 --> 02:03:13,690
because you can didn't taste those

2935
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things your app forwards with your

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scanners and we're sit there with you've

2937
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chased them off and we've got very

2938
02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:20,380
little except what we got before we

2939
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:23,260
called you and he said he understood but

2940
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:24,880
that's where I left it we never decided

2941
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:27,250
to we never didn't call him back to

2942
02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:29,110
invite them out to her lab so I should

2943
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:30,910
have it might have been fun but yeah I

2944
02:03:34,140 --> 02:03:32,800
guess I thought I thought this question

2945
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:34,150
was a better part of valor at that point

2946
02:03:39,150 --> 02:03:36,610
in life well definitely a fascinating

2947
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:39,160
just snippet from your incredible

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treasure trove of stories and

2949
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:43,690
experiences and and efforts in her

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02:03:48,570 --> 02:03:46,570
documentation of of this mystery we're

2951
02:03:50,340 --> 02:03:48,580
all interested in speaking of the

2952
02:03:52,830 --> 02:03:50,350
mystery I did mention to our listeners

2953
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:52,840
way before before you came on that we

2954
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:54,400
were going to talk about the years of

2955
02:04:00,000 --> 02:03:56,170
analytical work have left you in a

2956
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:00,010
position to advise people on the you

2957
02:04:05,610 --> 02:04:02,410
know the do's and don'ts and what to

2958
02:04:08,580 --> 02:04:05,620
look for when examining any of these

2959
02:04:10,650 --> 02:04:08,590
just thousands of UFO photos and films

2960
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:10,660
and videos that have been coming out on

2961
02:04:14,970 --> 02:04:12,850
the internet and you about you and I

2962
02:04:17,370 --> 02:04:14,980
have talked about this at length on

2963
02:04:19,890 --> 02:04:17,380
numerous occasions and I've learned a

2964
02:04:22,770 --> 02:04:19,900
lot from you on what to actually look

2965
02:04:24,690 --> 02:04:22,780
for that will give us a sense of the

2966
02:04:26,910 --> 02:04:24,700
reality of this phenomenon in a

2967
02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:26,920
particular shot or picture well while we

2968
02:04:31,380 --> 02:04:28,750
just cover some of that ground right now

2969
02:04:35,340 --> 02:04:31,390
what once you give us a kind of a

2970
02:04:37,620 --> 02:04:35,350
thumbnail sketch of the state of visual

2971
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:37,630
evidence right now in the field and then

2972
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:39,040
and then we'll go to the nuts and bolts

2973
02:04:41,370 --> 02:04:40,510
of how to how to properly analyze these

2974
02:04:44,370 --> 02:04:41,380
things okay

2975
02:04:46,620 --> 02:04:44,380
let me mention any for example a couple

2976
02:04:48,419 --> 02:04:46,630
days ago I heard that somebody had

2977
02:04:49,890 --> 02:04:48,429
photographed a bunch there was a living

2978
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:49,900
account of somebody starving all kinds

2979
02:04:54,180 --> 02:04:51,280
of incredible things and they'd taken

2980
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:54,190
video of a whole flight of objects of

2981
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:55,810
trees off in the distance you see them

2982
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:57,520
as times passed on behind the top of the

2983
02:05:01,410 --> 02:04:59,440
trees and here's these optical I saw the

2984
02:05:03,149 --> 02:05:01,420
video and I laughed the person who took

2985
02:05:05,850 --> 02:05:03,159
the video had let their imagination get

2986
02:05:07,260 --> 02:05:05,860
far away from him in seeing what they

2987
02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:07,270
were they were watching what we were

2988
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:09,460
typing it was video was well they're

2989
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:11,170
disking I should say I'm old fashioned

2990
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:13,210
when as a taping but what they were

2991
02:05:18,330 --> 02:05:16,090
disking was actually just these

2992
02:05:20,669 --> 02:05:18,340
so-called Chinese lanterns or homemade

2993
02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:20,679
versions I don't know which now in

2994
02:05:23,939 --> 02:05:22,329
benefit of the listener I want to tell

2995
02:05:25,939 --> 02:05:23,949
the listener that when you see something

2996
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:25,949
like that I can tell you from experience

2997
02:05:32,669 --> 02:05:29,650
the color of a candle flame that you see

2998
02:05:34,109 --> 02:05:32,679
and sometimes the the slightly modified

2999
02:05:36,510 --> 02:05:34,119
color depending on the color of the

3000
02:05:39,209 --> 02:05:36,520
paper that's used in that lantern that

3001
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:39,219
color that kind of candle light color

3002
02:05:44,970 --> 02:05:42,550
kind of orangey yellow is not created

3003
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:44,980
it's not generated by UFO field effects

3004
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:47,650
it's not a UFO one of the ways that you

3005
02:05:51,479 --> 02:05:49,090
can tell if you're colorblind or don't

3006
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:51,489
really realize exactly what the color

3007
02:05:56,609 --> 02:05:54,159
might be that's confusing is and I

3008
02:05:58,859 --> 02:05:56,619
believe that I can say that in all if

3009
02:06:01,319 --> 02:05:58,869
not then I will say most all cases of

3010
02:06:05,149 --> 02:06:01,329
what I call a bonafide doesn't identify

3011
02:06:07,979 --> 02:06:05,159
an almost aerial object there will be a

3012
02:06:11,899 --> 02:06:07,989
high-speed not a candle flicker but a

3013
02:06:16,260 --> 02:06:11,909
high-speed approximately 10 to 12 Hertz

3014
02:06:17,970 --> 02:06:16,270
vibration of the light source and it is

3015
02:06:20,750 --> 02:06:17,980
unmistakable now some people have such

3016
02:06:23,310 --> 02:06:20,760
low flicker fusion in their brain

3017
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,320
perceptual system that they visual and

3018
02:06:27,479 --> 02:06:25,360
perceptual system in the brain that they

3019
02:06:32,359 --> 02:06:27,489
they might fuse this but most people

3020
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:32,369
will be able to see this kind of flicker

3021
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:34,480
excuse me excuse me I think our

3022
02:06:38,129 --> 02:06:36,639
listeners may have driven off the road

3023
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:38,139
if they're in their cars when they heard

3024
02:06:43,290 --> 02:06:41,170
that noise what did you do there because

3025
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:43,300
right now I'm listening and suddenly you

3026
02:06:46,290 --> 02:06:45,010
know I'm enjoying the discussion and

3027
02:06:48,479 --> 02:06:46,300
following through with what you're

3028
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:48,489
saying and your great storyteller you

3029
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:51,280
tell me the great sound effects guy

3030
02:06:56,010 --> 02:06:53,650
I'll tell you we if there was still a

3031
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:56,020
need for radio sound effects and there

3032
02:07:00,330 --> 02:06:58,000
was still a business in doing radio

3033
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drama as we call you up real quickly I'd

3034
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:03,039
come out of retirement yep but hey

3035
02:07:08,100 --> 02:07:05,770
listen this was this is a thing to watch

3036
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:08,110
for when you see that kind of frequency

3037
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,270
that air the air clear aircraft lights

3038
02:07:13,649 --> 02:07:12,639
vibrate too but they don't vibrate at

3039
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:13,659
that rate they're higher and you're

3040
02:07:17,549 --> 02:07:14,800
gonna sleeker fusion you're never going

3041
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,559
to see it but most UFOs vibrated that

3042
02:07:20,490 --> 02:07:19,360
rate and interested in me the extremely

3043
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:20,500
low frequency component of their

3044
02:07:25,859 --> 02:07:23,050
magnetic field which we've had recorded

3045
02:07:28,919 --> 02:07:25,869
numbers of occasions also has vibration

3046
02:07:31,169 --> 02:07:28,929
right in that range and a one of these

3047
02:07:33,959 --> 02:07:31,179
candle power things will not will not

3048
02:07:36,089 --> 02:07:33,969
have that and I also will say that none

3049
02:07:38,850 --> 02:07:36,099
of these remotely controlled aircraft

3050
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:38,860
with the LEDs they don't flash at that

3051
02:07:43,709 --> 02:07:41,770
rate and you'll see a lot of the fake

3052
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:43,719
pictures these days that you see on

3053
02:07:50,669 --> 02:07:47,679
YouTube they have used LED lighting with

3054
02:07:51,959 --> 02:07:50,679
the kind of bluish color UFOs emitting

3055
02:07:55,169 --> 02:07:51,969
the bluish but it does not have that

3056
02:07:58,680 --> 02:07:55,179
particular cast that the LED has when

3057
02:08:00,620 --> 02:07:58,690
you record it on video and it's a

3058
02:08:02,970 --> 02:08:00,630
different color there are discrete

3059
02:08:05,819 --> 02:08:02,980
wavelengths of light that UFOs tend to

3060
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emit and when they emit pure white it

3061
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will appear to be the whitest white that

3062
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you have ever seen in most cases there

3063
02:08:15,450 --> 02:08:12,699
is a there is an orange but it's

3064
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certainly not like the like the lanterns

3065
02:08:19,500 --> 02:08:17,440
it well look at the color spectrum and

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so much more with Ray Stanford with Gene

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believe me with gene and Chris we have

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race Stanford for two more segments and

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we're looking at the color spectrum is

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this the UFL color spectrum do they have

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specific colors you can depend on

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seriously yes they do now open it let me

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break in here and say the people that

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want a photograph and film these things

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video these things look do yourself a

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favor and watch in the daytime they know

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they can be seen by the light sources at

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night and are less frequently around by

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far at night than there are a daytime

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and a daytime film will give you far

3188
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more evidence than a nighttime film so

3189
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:26,309
please watch for them and carry whatever

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you got that you can carry to record the

3191
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optical images watch in daytime focus

3192
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your eyes on the most distance object in

3193
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:35,489
the sky so that your perception of your

3194
02:13:39,350 --> 02:13:37,650
brain is out there and unless you're

3195
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:39,360
driving and have to keep track of the

3196
02:13:44,540 --> 02:13:42,239
traffic and that will enable you to tend

3197
02:13:46,129 --> 02:13:44,550
to perceptually la cone - thanks moving

3198
02:13:47,959 --> 02:13:46,139
up there otherwise even though they're

3199
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:47,969
moving up there you'll miss it just as

3200
02:13:51,709 --> 02:13:49,650
you miss the you may hear a jet plane

3201
02:13:53,029 --> 02:13:51,719
fly over low but and try to spot it but

3202
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:53,039
sometimes you can't even spot it

3203
02:13:57,379 --> 02:13:55,110
although you know it's an exceptionally

3204
02:13:59,509 --> 02:13:57,389
close range but you need to keep that

3205
02:14:03,040 --> 02:13:59,519
that focus out there which is not only a

3206
02:14:05,870 --> 02:14:03,050
visual focus but a perceptual focus now

3207
02:14:08,350 --> 02:14:05,880
regarding the colors of these things the

3208
02:14:10,729 --> 02:14:08,360
colors that UFOs emit and tend to be

3209
02:14:14,750 --> 02:14:10,739
exceedingly pure people use that

3210
02:14:17,509 --> 02:14:14,760
adjective again again the purest red the

3211
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,519
purest blue the purest harms the our

3212
02:14:21,979 --> 02:14:19,920
instance to be use it there can be a

3213
02:14:24,620 --> 02:14:21,989
amber but it's different than the

3214
02:14:27,439 --> 02:14:24,630
sodium-vapor amber but there the orange

3215
02:14:29,239 --> 02:14:27,449
tends to be a deep almost academy of

3216
02:14:31,819 --> 02:14:29,249
orange red some people might call it

3217
02:14:34,459 --> 02:14:31,829
vermilion the only occasion when we got

3218
02:14:35,810 --> 02:14:34,469
light spectra on some of the red objects

3219
02:14:38,569 --> 02:14:35,820
they were so red that they made the

3220
02:14:41,029 --> 02:14:38,579
helium neon laser that we had the light

3221
02:14:44,270 --> 02:14:41,039
from that looked orange it would explain

3222
02:14:47,060 --> 02:14:44,280
why people use that adjective extremely

3223
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,070
pure because the light from these two

3224
02:14:52,050 --> 02:14:49,440
objects that were definitely anomalous

3225
02:14:54,930 --> 02:14:52,060
zero objects it was extremely pure in

3226
02:14:57,240 --> 02:14:54,940
the long red near infrared wavelength

3227
02:14:59,880 --> 02:14:57,250
and in fact it was not only extremely

3228
02:15:02,190 --> 02:14:59,890
pure at that it was one single

3229
02:15:03,930 --> 02:15:02,200
wavelength that's why it looks pure but

3230
02:15:06,660 --> 02:15:03,940
that single wavelength had been broken

3231
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:06,670
up into components on a light spectra

3232
02:15:12,150 --> 02:15:10,090
and that can occur under one either of

3233
02:15:13,890 --> 02:15:12,160
two conditions if the light is emitted

3234
02:15:16,380 --> 02:15:13,900
in the presence of an extremely strong

3235
02:15:18,180 --> 02:15:16,390
electromagnetic field or an extremely

3236
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:18,190
strong electrical field of course

3237
02:15:21,690 --> 02:15:19,810
according to the Magna high dynamic

3238
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:21,700
theory which I support for gross

3239
02:15:25,710 --> 02:15:23,410
atmospheric propulsion of these objects

3240
02:15:27,690 --> 02:15:25,720
you would have both conditions so either

3241
02:15:30,270 --> 02:15:27,700
one or both could be contributing to the

3242
02:15:32,310 --> 02:15:30,280
fact that in for example the pictures

3243
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:32,320
that we got on the night of the 1932

3244
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:35,530
line 1978 were actually broken down into

3245
02:15:38,850 --> 02:15:37,090
I think it was six it might have been

3246
02:15:40,740 --> 02:15:38,860
just four components but possibly six

3247
02:15:43,110 --> 02:15:40,750
that are not to be mistaken for discrete

3248
02:15:44,070 --> 02:15:43,120
wavelengths of light they were actually

3249
02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:44,080
the same wavelength

3250
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:48,130
but split by one of the two are both of

3251
02:15:51,540 --> 02:15:50,320
the two phenomena that I mentioned I

3252
02:15:53,940 --> 02:15:51,550
won't try to get people into the

3253
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:53,950
technology over the technical names but

3254
02:15:59,190 --> 02:15:57,040
it is a very pure exceptional light and

3255
02:16:01,470 --> 02:15:59,200
most of these things that people say I

3256
02:16:04,500 --> 02:16:01,480
agree with organizations that say

3257
02:16:06,450 --> 02:16:04,510
they're not UFOs and I wish people wise

3258
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:06,460
up to these these lanterns because

3259
02:16:09,510 --> 02:16:07,930
they're increasing in number and every

3260
02:16:11,010 --> 02:16:09,520
time it seems somebody has a party these

3261
02:16:12,750 --> 02:16:11,020
days they have to launch 10 or 20 of

3262
02:16:15,780 --> 02:16:12,760
them we're also seeing a lot of birds

3263
02:16:18,090 --> 02:16:15,790
and just prosaic objects too that don't

3264
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:18,100
appear in the frame when the person

3265
02:16:20,850 --> 02:16:18,970
takes a picture

3266
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:20,860
I think you've told me in the past that

3267
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:22,330
this is usually an indication that

3268
02:16:26,220 --> 02:16:23,230
they're dealing with their mundane

3269
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:26,230
object that's right yeah the thing is

3270
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:28,000
that you don't simply do not you

3271
02:16:32,459 --> 02:16:30,880
perceptually ignore a bird flying by or

3272
02:16:34,350 --> 02:16:32,469
insects flying by you're focusing on

3273
02:16:36,030 --> 02:16:34,360
your subject of your camera and people

3274
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:36,040
are move this thing is in the picture it

3275
02:16:41,490 --> 02:16:39,280
must be a UFO well in most cases it's

3276
02:16:43,740 --> 02:16:41,500
not I'm not saying that a UFO is not

3277
02:16:46,379 --> 02:16:43,750
seen by the eye cannot appear in picture

3278
02:16:48,390 --> 02:16:46,389
I know better but in most of these cases

3279
02:16:52,140 --> 02:16:48,400
that we see where they did not see it or

3280
02:16:54,810 --> 02:16:52,150
notice it it was in fact a bird or

3281
02:16:56,850 --> 02:16:54,820
insects I mean I see this all the time

3282
02:16:58,760 --> 02:16:56,860
on YouTube and elsewhere and it's

3283
02:17:01,379 --> 02:16:58,770
amazing I do not understand why these

3284
02:17:03,419 --> 02:17:01,389
so-called UFO researchers aren't calling

3285
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:03,429
a spade a spade in that case in many

3286
02:17:06,459 --> 02:17:06,010
cases they're not there's going wow well

3287
02:17:08,830 --> 02:17:06,469
the god

3288
02:17:11,469 --> 02:17:08,840
keep new material before the public you

3289
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:11,479
know so I think a good example would be

3290
02:17:15,790 --> 02:17:13,250
a lot of the pictures you see on file as

3291
02:17:17,860 --> 02:17:15,800
files for instance I mean I'm able just

3292
02:17:19,809 --> 02:17:17,870
with the limited amount of knowledge I

3293
02:17:22,570 --> 02:17:19,819
have in the analytical realm here or to

3294
02:17:24,190 --> 02:17:22,580
discount the vast majority of these

3295
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:24,200
pictures that show up there although

3296
02:17:29,799 --> 02:17:27,679
this week's version of the file is file

3297
02:17:33,759 --> 02:17:29,809
does have a couple of shots that do have

3298
02:17:35,650 --> 02:17:33,769
that pure light that you described what

3299
02:17:38,620 --> 02:17:35,660
are some of the other things that people

3300
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:38,630
should okay should look for okay in

3301
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:41,450
daylight I when you see what I call a

3302
02:17:46,360 --> 02:17:44,000
bona fide anomalous aerial object it is

3303
02:17:47,889 --> 02:17:46,370
not in other words I'm researching those

3304
02:17:49,540 --> 02:17:47,899
I'm not researching UFOs because

3305
02:17:51,729 --> 02:17:49,550
somebody saw something started to

3306
02:17:53,259 --> 02:17:51,739
identify we have got we've narrowed it

3307
02:17:55,570 --> 02:17:53,269
down with our instruments and our

3308
02:17:57,400 --> 02:17:55,580
experience in observing that we know and

3309
02:18:00,309 --> 02:17:57,410
are interested only in the phenomena

3310
02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:00,319
that are truly non prosaic and truly

3311
02:18:04,509 --> 02:18:02,719
anomalous about normal terms now one of

3312
02:18:06,490 --> 02:18:04,519
the phenomena that you will notice it's

3313
02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:06,500
been described in the literature in both

3314
02:18:10,059 --> 02:18:08,330
Koufos and elsewhere and their

3315
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:10,069
publication some years ago there was for

3316
02:18:14,290 --> 02:18:12,649
example a aircraft guide that when he

3317
02:18:16,179 --> 02:18:14,300
reported this to the center for UFO

3318
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,189
studies was an aircraft engineer with

3319
02:18:20,799 --> 02:18:19,040
major corporation and in his youth he

3320
02:18:22,990 --> 02:18:20,809
had been with a boy scout a large-bore

3321
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:23,000
scout thing on the Catalina Island off

3322
02:18:29,019 --> 02:18:26,450
the coast of California and they saw a

3323
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:29,029
domed desk as they described it and it

3324
02:18:32,979 --> 02:18:31,010
it got worked close enough that it

3325
02:18:35,379 --> 02:18:32,989
covered a good angular size in the sky

3326
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:35,389
and it even went across and his shadow

3327
02:18:41,049 --> 02:18:38,630
fell on the mountains off to one side so

3328
02:18:43,089 --> 02:18:41,059
they knew approximately its size by the

3329
02:18:44,860 --> 02:18:43,099
the size of the shadow because they knew

3330
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:44,870
the dimensions of the features on the

3331
02:18:50,549 --> 02:18:47,450
mountain but he said what intrigued him

3332
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:50,559
most and is stuck in his memory as being

3333
02:18:56,559 --> 02:18:54,290
puzzling was that in this beautys

3334
02:18:58,360 --> 02:18:56,569
beautiful blue sky when you looked at

3335
02:19:02,190 --> 02:18:58,370
the sky right around the object it was

3336
02:19:05,469 --> 02:19:02,200
bluer than the rest of the sky indeed

3337
02:19:06,940 --> 02:19:05,479
that is the case in daylight beautiful

3338
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:06,950
observations if you look very carefully

3339
02:19:12,969 --> 02:19:10,399
and it's not visually if it's far out

3340
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:12,979
enough it is not like some bright object

3341
02:19:17,559 --> 02:19:15,290
causing you an optical after effect is

3342
02:19:19,180 --> 02:19:17,569
your retinas shift slightly and you're

3343
02:19:21,220 --> 02:19:19,190
seeing an odd pattern around it

3344
02:19:23,020 --> 02:19:21,230
because of a affect on the retina it's

3345
02:19:24,850 --> 02:19:23,030
actually an objective thing it is there

3346
02:19:26,169 --> 02:19:24,860
but if you will film it film it at the

3347
02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:26,179
highest speed that your camera will

3348
02:19:31,300 --> 02:19:28,130
tolerate for the lighting conditions and

3349
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:31,310
if it's very bright out you want to if

3350
02:19:36,250 --> 02:19:34,610
possible to beating on the light for the

3351
02:19:38,220 --> 02:19:36,260
amount of exposure you give not on the

3352
02:19:41,950 --> 02:19:38,230
star we want the object after all and

3353
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:41,960
you will you will find when you get the

3354
02:19:46,390 --> 02:19:44,450
pictures back that it will shock you

3355
02:19:48,761 --> 02:19:46,400
because there will be in in genuine

3356
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:48,771
photographs of genuine anomalous aerial

3357
02:19:53,140 --> 02:19:49,280
objects

3358
02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:53,150
you're going to see the object in ghost

3359
02:19:58,810 --> 02:19:55,490
images in in tones of a strange color

3360
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:58,820
kind of blue around the object all kinds

3361
02:20:03,160 --> 02:20:01,040
of images some of them negative images

3362
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:03,170
some of them positive images and in

3363
02:20:07,720 --> 02:20:05,930
every conceivable rotation of the object

3364
02:20:10,570 --> 02:20:07,730
around the object that you are watching

3365
02:20:12,490 --> 02:20:10,580
that I refer to as the target object now

3366
02:20:14,740 --> 02:20:12,500
the scientific ramifications of this are

3367
02:20:17,320 --> 02:20:14,750
potentially absolutely paradigm and

3368
02:20:18,670 --> 02:20:17,330
earth-shaking because it does not appear

3369
02:20:21,940 --> 02:20:18,680
to be stealth after all it doesn't keep

3370
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:21,950
us from seeing the object and it appears

3371
02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:25,040
to be something that is related to the

3372
02:20:30,430 --> 02:20:27,800
nature of the object or of what is going

3373
02:20:34,210 --> 02:20:30,440
on in or around the object itself and

3374
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:34,220
we're working heavily on this but we

3375
02:20:38,830 --> 02:20:36,680
laugh because the people keep coming up

3376
02:20:40,210 --> 02:20:38,840
with these and even the fakers if they

3377
02:20:42,250 --> 02:20:40,220
if they learn about this eventually

3378
02:20:44,350 --> 02:20:42,260
they're not going to be able to easily

3379
02:20:46,511 --> 02:20:44,360
fake this effect it is it is

3380
02:20:48,700 --> 02:20:46,521
extraordinary and when anybody comes and

3381
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:48,710
visits me and sees this production that

3382
02:20:54,700 --> 02:20:52,160
shows many well actually a vast number

3383
02:20:56,801 --> 02:20:54,710
of examples of this you will you'll

3384
02:20:58,091 --> 02:20:56,811
understand that it is something that no

3385
02:20:59,591 --> 02:20:58,101
one ever gasps because they were not

3386
02:21:01,810 --> 02:20:59,601
studying the photograph now these

3387
02:21:03,430 --> 02:21:01,820
multiple objects or images are not just

3388
02:21:05,591 --> 02:21:03,440
in the photographs I take I have

3389
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:05,601
pictures taken by other people way back

3390
02:21:14,110 --> 02:21:09,650
in the 50s for example there are

3391
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:14,120
multiple objects in in well a nice

3392
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:16,250
series of photographs taken by Francois

3393
02:21:24,100 --> 02:21:19,730
my determine the postman in Belgium on

3394
02:21:27,341 --> 02:21:24,110
May 5th I believe 1950 plus big five and

3395
02:21:29,170 --> 02:21:27,351
there are numbers of examples of this

3396
02:21:31,720 --> 02:21:29,180
there are other phenomena that are

3397
02:21:32,990 --> 02:21:31,730
unique to these objects for example when

3398
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,000
an object is a

3399
02:21:37,760 --> 02:21:35,520
to maneuver and it may continue slightly

3400
02:21:39,320 --> 02:21:37,770
into the manoeuvre unseen to your eye

3401
02:21:39,770 --> 02:21:39,330
but seen on the film because it is so

3402
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:39,780
fast

3403
02:21:44,330 --> 02:21:41,810
there will be columns of light shot off

3404
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:44,340
certain edges but not all edges of the

3405
02:21:49,340 --> 02:21:46,770
object to electrify the air in those

3406
02:21:51,140 --> 02:21:49,350
specific areas to provide lift under

3407
02:21:52,910 --> 02:21:51,150
they mated under the influence of the

3408
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:52,920
magnetic field producing magnetic flow

3409
02:21:58,280 --> 02:21:56,250
and we first recorded this in a

3410
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:58,290
photograph we got of the object on Padre

3411
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:00,720
Island Texas on Saturday November 6 1954

3412
02:22:04,310 --> 02:22:02,250
the nine witness Street police officer

3413
02:22:05,960 --> 02:22:04,320
witnesses a case but we didn't know what

3414
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:05,970
it was but in years later of course

3415
02:22:09,290 --> 02:22:07,650
where we have movie films with hundreds

3416
02:22:11,060 --> 02:22:09,300
and hundreds and thousands of frames we

3417
02:22:12,530 --> 02:22:11,070
can follow this and we now believe we

3418
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:12,540
know what it is I'll tell you what we'll

3419
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:14,160
ask you where it is in a moment with Ray

3420
02:22:26,261 --> 02:22:16,110
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3421
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3426
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[Music]

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with Jean with Chris with race Stanford

3509
02:26:59,540 --> 02:26:57,510
on the power cast final second so we

3510
02:27:00,530 --> 02:26:59,550
have to make the answers real short now

3511
02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:00,540
we want to cover a little bit more

3512
02:27:04,610 --> 02:27:02,850
ground okay the answer but you're

3513
02:27:07,580 --> 02:27:04,620
holding out on us what was the answer

3514
02:27:09,620 --> 02:27:07,590
oh whatever what the beams are we use

3515
02:27:11,480 --> 02:27:09,630
the term torque beams but they are not

3516
02:27:14,300 --> 02:27:11,490
when I'm not talking about a rocket

3517
02:27:16,580 --> 02:27:14,310
exhaust kind of part a reaction

3518
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:16,590
propulsion kind of torque what these do

3519
02:27:19,940 --> 02:27:18,240
they are they're not thrusters in other

3520
02:27:22,460 --> 02:27:19,950
words what they're doing they're simply

3521
02:27:24,980 --> 02:27:22,470
electrifying a column of air out from

3522
02:27:26,900 --> 02:27:24,990
the source and then they will sweep this

3523
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:26,910
for whatever area they want to electrify

3524
02:27:32,360 --> 02:27:29,490
and what this does it gives that area

3525
02:27:35,300 --> 02:27:32,370
electrification or intense phase turns

3526
02:27:37,070 --> 02:27:35,310
it into plasma and the it interacts with

3527
02:27:39,170 --> 02:27:37,080
the magnetic field and thus produces

3528
02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:39,180
more lift in that area then in the area

3529
02:27:43,340 --> 02:27:40,770
where's not applied and that side will

3530
02:27:44,780 --> 02:27:43,350
lift up it they talked themselves in

3531
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:44,790
other words the effect of the beam

3532
02:27:48,590 --> 02:27:46,319
results in targeting the beam except

3533
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:48,600
it's not really tark but that is

3534
02:27:53,179 --> 02:27:50,490
apparently what is happening and we have

3535
02:27:54,889 --> 02:27:53,189
just thousands of images of this kind of

3536
02:27:56,330 --> 02:27:54,899
thing happening to some cases real

3537
02:27:59,269 --> 02:27:56,340
extreme beautifully sharp degrees

3538
02:28:01,400 --> 02:27:59,279
sometimes much less they also have very

3539
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:01,410
very intense magnetic fields and

3540
02:28:04,969 --> 02:28:03,840
although this has been a rather cartoon

3541
02:28:07,309 --> 02:28:04,979
film we have some excellent daylight

3542
02:28:08,809 --> 02:28:07,319
examples were in the electrification of

3543
02:28:11,450 --> 02:28:08,819
the field around it became so strong

3544
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:11,460
that you're actually filming the visible

3545
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:14,130
magnetic field analogous to when in

3546
02:28:18,590 --> 02:28:17,010
school you scattered iron shavings on a

3547
02:28:20,929 --> 02:28:18,600
piece of paper under which there was a

3548
02:28:23,660 --> 02:28:20,939
bar magnet and you saw a dipolar

3549
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:23,670
magnetic field we have films that show

3550
02:28:27,050 --> 02:28:25,770
that but if one looks carefully one will

3551
02:28:29,690 --> 02:28:27,060
have the kind of look that I did when I

3552
02:28:31,099 --> 02:28:29,700
was shooting an object I was right in

3553
02:28:32,570 --> 02:28:31,109
front of the public affairs and

3554
02:28:34,250 --> 02:28:32,580
administration building at Goddard spade

3555
02:28:37,550 --> 02:28:34,260
got his face flushed under November 19

3556
02:28:40,010 --> 02:28:37,560
1989 during the last two photographs I

3557
02:28:41,929 --> 02:28:40,020
got of the object at 20 power telephoto

3558
02:28:43,969 --> 02:28:41,939
thousand millimeter 35 millimeter film I

3559
02:28:45,559 --> 02:28:43,979
could see that it looked like the field

3560
02:28:48,349 --> 02:28:45,569
was being visible around it and in the

3561
02:28:50,719 --> 02:28:48,359
last one it's just beautifully visible

3562
02:28:52,429 --> 02:28:50,729
as a three dimensional dipolar kind of

3563
02:28:54,889 --> 02:28:52,439
feel apparently due to the presence of

3564
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:54,899
plasma spiraling along the magnetic

3565
02:28:57,800 --> 02:28:56,490
lines of force as plasma is inclined to

3566
02:28:59,900 --> 02:28:57,810
do when it interacts with the magnetic

3567
02:29:01,849 --> 02:28:59,910
array will you mentioned your

3568
02:29:03,889 --> 02:29:01,859
presentation that you've been

3569
02:29:05,599 --> 02:29:03,899
I mean laboring on practically since

3570
02:29:08,059 --> 02:29:05,609
I've known you which is going on eight

3571
02:29:09,649 --> 02:29:08,069
years when is this presentation can be

3572
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:09,659
made available to the public what are

3573
02:29:14,269 --> 02:29:12,090
your plans on presenting all this really

3574
02:29:16,519 --> 02:29:14,279
amazing analytical work that you've been

3575
02:29:18,590 --> 02:29:16,529
doing for four decades now so many

3576
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:18,600
people out there they're just so taken

3577
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:20,970
by you and they they're just dying to

3578
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:23,850
get a chance to see this wonderful

3579
02:29:27,529 --> 02:29:26,010
evidence that you've collected and put

3580
02:29:29,449 --> 02:29:27,539
it into this amazing PowerPoint

3581
02:29:31,609 --> 02:29:29,459
presentation that takes about two days

3582
02:29:34,159 --> 02:29:31,619
really to get through how would a person

3583
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,169
go about seeing this presentation well

3584
02:29:38,569 --> 02:29:36,720
if a person can can show me that they

3585
02:29:40,189 --> 02:29:38,579
have good credentials in this field that

3586
02:29:42,949 --> 02:29:40,199
they're a credible person not some kind

3587
02:29:45,590 --> 02:29:42,959
of a half-cocked fluke out there that is

3588
02:29:47,779 --> 02:29:45,600
into UFOs but really isn't

3589
02:29:49,369 --> 02:29:47,789
except in a insane kind of wait they can

3590
02:29:50,960 --> 02:29:49,379
show me that they're a responsible

3591
02:29:52,420 --> 02:29:50,970
intelligent person that would like to

3592
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:52,430
analyze this and have contributed

3593
02:29:56,719 --> 02:29:54,329
constructively to the field of

3594
02:29:59,149 --> 02:29:56,729
unidentified object studies I will be

3595
02:30:00,889 --> 02:29:59,159
happy to in fact have them come here to

3596
02:30:03,859 --> 02:30:00,899
my own home and show this to them on a

3597
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:03,869
good large computer screen now I am

3598
02:30:09,529 --> 02:30:06,810
getting more open with this we have done

3599
02:30:11,239 --> 02:30:09,539
this gradually in the same way that it

3600
02:30:14,569 --> 02:30:11,249
took a lot of time for me to publish my

3601
02:30:16,429 --> 02:30:14,579
new genus and species of notice are you

3602
02:30:18,290 --> 02:30:16,439
go about these slowly you look at all

3603
02:30:20,420 --> 02:30:18,300
factors you try to understand what

3604
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:20,430
you're seeing because you want to

3605
02:30:23,449 --> 02:30:21,810
describe it when you describe it you

3606
02:30:26,989 --> 02:30:23,459
want to describe it not with misleading

3607
02:30:30,769 --> 02:30:26,999
terms but with correct terms and it took

3608
02:30:32,809 --> 02:30:30,779
us oh gosh about four years to to

3609
02:30:35,479 --> 02:30:32,819
complete and get the paper on the

3610
02:30:38,659 --> 02:30:35,489
dinosaur published in the paleontology

3611
02:30:41,119 --> 02:30:38,669
journal and in this case we're working

3612
02:30:44,149 --> 02:30:41,129
with something that new data has been

3613
02:30:47,739 --> 02:30:44,159
coming in as I've gotten more and more

3614
02:30:49,609 --> 02:30:47,749
films or photographs and as my

3615
02:30:52,159 --> 02:30:49,619
consultation with physicists has

3616
02:30:54,290 --> 02:30:52,169
continued I begin to see and understand

3617
02:30:57,159 --> 02:30:54,300
more about it what I'm trying to do is

3618
02:31:00,969 --> 02:30:57,169
get it at a level to where it is really

3619
02:31:03,889 --> 02:31:00,979
can be well explained well described and

3620
02:31:06,670 --> 02:31:03,899
realistically interpreted and hopefully

3621
02:31:09,290 --> 02:31:06,680
get it published in one or more

3622
02:31:11,449 --> 02:31:09,300
peer-reviewed journals there have been

3623
02:31:13,969 --> 02:31:11,459
papers on unidentified flying objects

3624
02:31:15,831 --> 02:31:13,979
that appeared in two fairly major in one

3625
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:15,841
of them quite major scientific pure

3626
02:31:20,421 --> 02:31:18,240
and which one they throws we got to

3627
02:31:21,890 --> 02:31:20,431
really move this along okay well I don't

3628
02:31:24,951 --> 02:31:21,900
I don't recall the names you'd have to

3629
02:31:26,841 --> 02:31:24,961
ask let me see Bruce Maccabee was one of

3630
02:31:29,841 --> 02:31:26,851
the names that was on one the most

3631
02:31:32,211 --> 02:31:29,851
recent one I'm aware of but simply

3632
02:31:34,220 --> 02:31:32,221
optical get it in a major journal and

3633
02:31:36,741 --> 02:31:34,230
then we will come out with it probably

3634
02:31:39,291 --> 02:31:36,751
both his printed form how still believe

3635
02:31:42,110 --> 02:31:39,301
in old printed books and in in DVD form

3636
02:31:44,961 --> 02:31:42,120
where you can see and hear and and see

3637
02:31:46,491 --> 02:31:44,971
the actual video movies themselves in

3638
02:31:48,470 --> 02:31:46,501
video form on your screen how does the

3639
02:31:50,511 --> 02:31:48,480
disc now you understand why there's

3640
02:31:52,400 --> 02:31:50,521
skepticism rain it's no one's self

3641
02:31:54,770 --> 02:31:52,410
intended but you have people say I have

3642
02:31:56,421 --> 02:31:54,780
information I'm gonna present it going

3643
02:31:58,911 --> 02:31:56,431
to publish it it's going to be released

3644
02:32:02,270 --> 02:31:58,921
soon and never seems to happen so can

3645
02:32:04,041 --> 02:32:02,280
you put a date like we couldn't put a

3646
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:04,051
date on even the publication of the

3647
02:32:09,591 --> 02:32:06,570
dinosaur paper until literally two days

3648
02:32:11,690 --> 02:32:09,601
before you just can't do that in science

3649
02:32:13,461 --> 02:32:11,700
scientific wheels turned slowly and

3650
02:32:16,220 --> 02:32:13,471
people need to understand that I would

3651
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:16,230
stress this I am NOT in the

3652
02:32:20,360 --> 02:32:18,330
entertainment business and if somebody

3653
02:32:21,470 --> 02:32:20,370
has serious scientific interest there

3654
02:32:22,970 --> 02:32:21,480
were going to call me if they were

3655
02:32:24,801 --> 02:32:22,980
willing to spend the money to fly across

3656
02:32:27,020 --> 02:32:24,811
country or drive across country or if

3657
02:32:30,531 --> 02:32:27,030
they're nearby contact me and see this

3658
02:32:33,381 --> 02:32:30,541
fine but I'm not entertaining business

3659
02:32:35,331 --> 02:32:33,391
and I will only publish it when I think

3660
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:35,341
and in the opinion of the people that

3661
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:37,530
I'm working with they feel that we have

3662
02:32:42,741 --> 02:32:39,570
it in a farm and then we submit it to

3663
02:32:44,810 --> 02:32:42,751
editors and get it accepted no matter

3664
02:32:47,031 --> 02:32:44,820
whether it's later the popular book I

3665
02:32:48,470 --> 02:32:47,041
would hope quite frankly that all this

3666
02:32:51,051 --> 02:32:48,480
occurs before while I'm still on this

3667
02:32:53,871 --> 02:32:51,061
planet physically but and I'm trying to

3668
02:32:55,341 --> 02:32:53,881
move things ahead fast that is my major

3669
02:32:58,041 --> 02:32:55,351
motivation in trying to move things

3670
02:33:01,581 --> 02:32:58,051
ahead well ray you're in the the

3671
02:33:04,041 --> 02:33:01,591
Washington DC area and we do have quite

3672
02:33:07,251 --> 02:33:04,051
a varied listenership here we have some

3673
02:33:10,970 --> 02:33:07,261
scientists we have some some people I

3674
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:10,980
think eminently qualified to see if they

3675
02:33:16,970 --> 02:33:13,200
can wrangle an invitation I do put out

3676
02:33:19,161 --> 02:33:16,980
here publicly an invitation anyone they

3677
02:33:22,220 --> 02:33:19,171
would like to to possibly take ray up on

3678
02:33:24,140 --> 02:33:22,230
this offer to contact us here at the

3679
02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:24,150
Peres cast and we'll go ahead and

3680
02:33:29,511 --> 02:33:27,690
forward on your request to Ray Ray I'm

3681
02:33:31,701 --> 02:33:29,521
really excited that you

3682
02:33:34,491 --> 02:33:31,711
moving forward with this presentation

3683
02:33:36,621 --> 02:33:34,501
you were visited recently by quite a

3684
02:33:39,201 --> 02:33:36,631
famous physicist who was quite taken

3685
02:33:41,541 --> 02:33:39,211
with your work and I think is that that

3686
02:33:43,610 --> 02:33:41,551
that's a bit of a vindication I think

3687
02:33:46,970 --> 02:33:43,620
for you that you were able to help him

3688
02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:46,980
in some of his thinking and vice-versa

3689
02:33:54,890 --> 02:33:51,330
also there's a Washington DC area of the

3690
02:33:56,180 --> 02:33:54,900
major publication reporter who you've

3691
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,190
been spending quite a bit of time with

3692
02:34:01,940 --> 02:33:59,040
who is this quite talk about that right

3693
02:34:04,301 --> 02:34:01,950
now yeah I know that but okay it seems

3694
02:34:08,060 --> 02:34:04,311
like you're really getting yourself

3695
02:34:10,520 --> 02:34:08,070
gearing up for release of this data and

3696
02:34:11,871 --> 02:34:10,530
I for one you know as I've told you

3697
02:34:14,381 --> 02:34:11,881
often told you I'm your biggest fan and

3698
02:34:17,241 --> 02:34:14,391
and II support you in your efforts and

3699
02:34:18,591 --> 02:34:17,251
it's been really nice getting you on the

3700
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:18,601
show obviously we're gonna have to have

3701
02:34:22,791 --> 02:34:21,120
your back on we could we could make turn

3702
02:34:26,211 --> 02:34:22,801
this into the race to effort show very

3703
02:34:27,381 --> 02:34:26,221
easily but with your amazing sixty years

3704
02:34:30,621 --> 02:34:27,391
that you've been involved in this field

3705
02:34:32,961 --> 02:34:30,631
practically so any other things that you

3706
02:34:36,470 --> 02:34:32,971
want to say before we go ahead and sign

3707
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:36,480
off here how much time do you have one

3708
02:34:43,841 --> 02:34:40,110
and a half minutes okay okay yes I would

3709
02:34:46,161 --> 02:34:43,851
like to get into some some of the

3710
02:34:48,650 --> 02:34:46,171
wouldn't we look at UFO case I strongly

3711
02:34:50,480 --> 02:34:48,660
recommend this book grassroots UFOs for

3712
02:34:53,511 --> 02:34:50,490
everybody if you don't have it go

3713
02:34:56,390 --> 02:34:53,521
through amazon.com and get it these are

3714
02:34:59,001 --> 02:34:56,400
not highly investigated cases in most

3715
02:35:02,270 --> 02:34:59,011
instances but they are described they're

3716
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:02,280
things people describe to a fellow from

3717
02:35:07,131 --> 02:35:05,370
the Center for UFO studies and they are

3718
02:35:09,591 --> 02:35:07,141
extremely interesting it when you find

3719
02:35:11,871 --> 02:35:09,601
cases when it's a bonafide thing there

3720
02:35:13,820 --> 02:35:11,881
will be phenomena that are totally

3721
02:35:18,381 --> 02:35:13,830
surprising that we did not anticipate

3722
02:35:19,610 --> 02:35:18,391
and if I had time I would go into some

3723
02:35:22,820 --> 02:35:19,620
some of the ones that we have

3724
02:35:25,131 --> 02:35:22,830
experienced but it would appear that

3725
02:35:26,690 --> 02:35:25,141
that they have for example a beam that's

3726
02:35:28,850 --> 02:35:26,700
well known in the literature that slowly

3727
02:35:33,860 --> 02:35:28,860
projects out well I I got a good film of

3728
02:35:35,991 --> 02:35:33,870
this on October 5th 1985 and it appears

3729
02:35:39,081 --> 02:35:36,001
that this beam can have different types

3730
02:35:40,371 --> 02:35:39,091
of functions in one case it is used and

3731
02:35:42,291 --> 02:35:40,381
we have film of doing this in which

3732
02:35:44,121 --> 02:35:42,301
actually objects come smaller actors

3733
02:35:46,220 --> 02:35:44,131
come down this beam and leave and go off

3734
02:35:48,621 --> 02:35:46,230
into the distance then come back and go

3735
02:35:50,211 --> 02:35:48,631
in the beam one might speculate that

3736
02:35:52,011 --> 02:35:50,221
that beam is to get them out of the

3737
02:35:54,770 --> 02:35:52,021
primary field of the parent or mother

3738
02:35:56,541 --> 02:35:54,780
object so that they are not affected

3739
02:35:58,791 --> 02:35:56,551
adversely by that field when it's too

3740
02:36:00,051 --> 02:35:58,801
strong it makes a lot of sense I'll tell

3741
02:36:01,461 --> 02:36:00,061
you what makes a lot of sense if our

3742
02:36:03,621 --> 02:36:01,471
listeners want to learn more of what you

3743
02:36:06,591 --> 02:36:03,631
do is there a way they can get a hold of

3744
02:36:08,930 --> 02:36:06,601
you I don't have I don't have a website

3745
02:36:10,940 --> 02:36:08,940
and I don't you know I don't have a

3746
02:36:13,161 --> 02:36:10,950
publication of any kind

3747
02:36:14,871 --> 02:36:13,171
they can communicate with me it could

3748
02:36:16,430 --> 02:36:14,881
borrow a letter through Chris I guess

3749
02:36:18,711 --> 02:36:16,440
and I would I don't want to give up my

3750
02:36:19,791 --> 02:36:18,721
email address but as something I think

3751
02:36:22,371 --> 02:36:19,801
it's important I'll get back to them

3752
02:36:24,860 --> 02:36:22,381
okay so it's right to US news if the

3753
02:36:27,711 --> 02:36:24,870
power cast comm news to the power cast

3754
02:36:29,661 --> 02:36:27,721
comm if you have some questions or

3755
02:36:31,430 --> 02:36:29,671
comments to make about Ray Stanford or

3756
02:36:33,890 --> 02:36:31,440
go to our forms forum dr. power cast

3757
02:36:36,980 --> 02:36:33,900
calm a fast reminder before we go

3758
02:36:39,201 --> 02:36:36,990
Chris's site is our strange planet calm

3759
02:36:41,541 --> 02:36:39,211
that's our strange planet because it is

3760
02:36:43,461 --> 02:36:41,551
a strange planet to race Stanford thanks

3761
02:36:54,920 --> 02:36:43,471
for joining us this week on the power

3762
02:37:01,469 --> 02:36:58,439
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3763
02:37:04,340 --> 02:37:01,479
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3764
02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:04,350
presentation of making the impossible